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noraneko30 Oct 2009 8:58 p.m. PST

I hope this helps. More to follow.

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Use the categories selector in the right column to see more of the same on my site.

fred12df31 Oct 2009 2:50 a.m. PST

Good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to post the comparison photos.

The MM cavalry are very small compared to copplestone – do you think this is because they are mongols and meant to be on smaller horses?

noraneko31 Oct 2009 3:13 a.m. PST

Possibly. I can't say for sure, however, because these are the only MM 10mm cavalry I won (so far).

I was a bit disappointed with the size at first, but it doesn't bug me now. They may look even better once they are painted, based, and ranked up together. I still have some Kallistra Mongols coming, and won't make any final decision until they arrive. Expect comparison pictures of the two soon.

And as you pointed out, horses come in all shapes and size, Mongolian horses being a smaller breed.

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rjabox31 Oct 2009 10:04 a.m. PST

fred12df,

I think you have hit on it exactly. MM 10mm ancient horses are all this size, as are 10mm medieval except for knights which are mounted on larger horses. In the napoleonic ranges the cossacks are on the same (pony-sized) horses, medium cavalry on larger horses and heavy cavalry on larger horses still.

Richard from MM told me that this was intended.

AppleMak31 Oct 2009 10:57 a.m. PST

How to the Old Glory 10mm range compare with, for example, the original warmaster range? I am interested as I have an "old" undead army I have from when WM came out, but never got further than basing them up. I am now back in the hobby (in various periods) and want to have an "empire" or Elf army to fight against.

noraneko31 Oct 2009 8:46 p.m. PST

Very even match, I think.

Magister Militumn03 Nov 2009 2:24 a.m. PST

Thanks it is interesting to see it all together.

The Mongols and Samurai are the only Medieval figures on the smaller pony horse.

We used a pony for all of the ancient ranges, horse breeding did not really develop the large modern horses we see today until the 10th/11th century AD. There was a deal of variation in anicent horses and the Romans did breed some larger breeds but not in great numbers. Even cataphracts were mounted on stocky ponies, there are references in fact to their horses being particularly small and strong with riders legs almost reaching the ground.

For the medievals onwards we use 4 horses, the pony for stepp type armies, the Samurai who had major problems with horse breeding in sufficient numbers and used ponies and some of the earlier border/fringe horse units in Europe (Bretons etc.) Also Cossacks for the Napoleonics are on ponies. At the moment all of our Crimean cavalry are also on ponies to represent the fact that the British and Russians used local horses for remounts after the first month or so of the war. I am considering doing them on larger horses to represent the early war but the Napoleonics are getting priority right now. Also our early Normans are on the ponies, this could be debated but there is evidence that up to the Norman conquest their cavalry was still quite light, if you want Normans on destriers then the medieval early knights fit perfectly. We then have a standard or light horse which is used for anything that is not a knight. It is also used for light cavalry in the Napoleonic ranges. Finally there are two versions of a heavy horse, one is for knights and heavy cavalry. The other is a thoroughbred which we use for guard or elite cavalry units.

This may seem a bit complicated but we try to be as accurate as we can and this seemed to be the best way to achieve a historical look.

Cheers,

Richard

noraneko03 Nov 2009 6:30 a.m. PST

Thanks, Richard. I'd like to quote this on my site when I post comparisons with the Kallistra Mongols, if you don't mind.

I should also mention that the detail on the Mongols, especially the faces, is amazing given the size. The shape of the eyes, the mustache--beautiful work.

(And I meant "own" not "won" in my post above.)

Magister Militum Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Nov 2009 11:35 a.m. PST

No problem.

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