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redbert17 Oct 2009 4:09 p.m. PST

Hi all any one have any data concerning Royal Staff Corps
1790-1833 I understand they were Engneers !!!!!!& they built the Royal Military Canal Hythe Kent, in the early 1800's Cheers Redbert

summerfield17 Oct 2009 5:05 p.m. PST

Yes I have written about these. They are certainly very interesting. I would talk to the Royal Engineers Museum in Chatham.

Stephen

redbert19 Oct 2009 11:01 a.m. PST

Cheers Stephen, i have contacted the R/E's & studied their Web Site & Googled the R.S.Corps, alas found very little data on them, I discovered that 3 of my ancestors had served with this Corp's "Father & 2 Sons" all being Trumpeters !!! 1 a James King enlisted in 1821 aged 13, his father WILLIAM & brother(also William) joined from the 23rd Light Draggons after the Battle of Waterloo, as the 23rd were disbanded 1817, apart from that i have no more info on the R/S/Corps,would welcome any ideas Thanks Redbert

summerfield19 Oct 2009 2:49 p.m. PST

Dear Redbert

Royal Staff Corps (est 1799 although some say 1798 and 1800) gave an engineering arm to Horse Guards and was distict from the Board of Ordnance who had the Royal Engineers. Disbanded in 1837 and merged with the Royal Engineers.

Responsible for the construction of field defences and fortifications, bridges, canals etc…. The duties of the officers were very similar to those of the RE.

The most important was the Royal Military Canal, 28 miles in length from Shorncliffe to Rye. This was still an important anti-tank ditch in 1940 for the Germans to look at ways of dealing with this in Operation Sealion. There are glimpses of their work at bridging the Alcantara (1812), Adour (1813).

Colonel Brown and Colonel Sturgeon are worth tracing for their work. The former on the Royal Military Canal and the latter upon his work in the Peninsular.

The lack of skilled sappers was a limiting part. There were a reasonable number of engineer officers. You only need one per project. The number of engineer officers was very similar to France who had by far more fortifications.

The myth of the inexperience and lack of training in engineer officers has been successful. Wellington blamed them for his inability to understand technical subjects. He could not understand that British ammunition would not fit Russian guns in the exchange of letters with Dickson.

One of these days a publisher may permit me to put the various parts together to attempt to explain how Britain muddled through. Having two different engineer corps, an independent board of ordnance, the transport of guns not under the control of the artillery etc….

Stephen

Interesting that they were trumpeters which was more common in light infantry battalions.

redbert22 Oct 2009 1:05 p.m. PST

Many thanks Stephen, you appear to be very knowledgable, as there is a lack of data on the NET concerning the R.S.C's, pity as would like to find more on my G/G/G/Dad James King who went on to be the BANDMASTER for the 5th Dragoon Guards 1829-1850, & as i have discovered a Composer of Military Music 1846-1870.
Forgive my ignorance Stephen i thought in the 1800's Drummers were INFANTRY & Trumpeters Cavalry !!!!!!!
correct if i am incorrect once again most grateful your imput Redbert

summerfield22 Oct 2009 3:03 p.m. PST

Dear Redbert
Trumpeters could be part of the regimental band but more likely they would be associated with light infantry and the structure of the Royal Staff Corps could have been based upon this. I know that I have a book somewhere upon Regimental bands.

Trumpet calls are useful for troops that operate in dispersion unlike the line infantry.

Stephen

redbert25 Oct 2009 11:37 a.m. PST

Hi Stephen Would be interested in the TITLE of the book you have concerning Regimental Bands, perhaps i can get a copy at my local library, as i discovered my ancestor in the ROYAL STAFF CORPS (JAMES KING) (bugler) went on to be the Bandmaster for the 5th Dragoon Guards, & a Composer of Military Music having penned well over 40 piece's, which are, all in the British Library Archives, His son's were also accomplished musician, 1 went on to Bandmaster for the 8th Kings Royal Irish Hussars (James Charles King) me myself can hardly whistle !!!!!! would welcome any comments you have Thanks Redbert

Steven H Smith25 Oct 2009 12:49 p.m. PST

Perhaps:

Regimental bands: their history and role of usefulnessý
J. Mackenzie Rogan – 1913 – 16 pages.

redbert26 Oct 2009 10:37 a.m. PST

Thanks Steven Redbert

Lord Hill07 Nov 2009 7:35 p.m. PST

Er…the Royal Staff Corps were cavalry. Every member was recruited from the cavalry (hence your chap from the 23rd Light Dragoons).

So that will explain the trumpeter thing.

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