Help support TMP


"OGL D&D 4E 3rd Party Products?" Topic


11 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please do not use bad language on the forums.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Fantasy RPG Message Board


Action Log

17 Jul 2025 10:22 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "OGL D&D 4E 3rd Party Products " to "OGL D&D 4E 3rd Party Products?"Removed from Dungeoncrawls boardRemoved from Fantasy Discussion board

Areas of Interest

Fantasy

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Top-Rated Ruleset

HeroQuest


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Workbench Article

Prepping Dwarven Forge Dungeon Tiles

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian removes minor (but annoying) flaws from dungeon tiles.


Featured Profile Article

Foam Harvest Mushrooms

When you need a mushroom forest, and you need it cheap…


Current Poll


Featured Movie Review


1,276 hits since 6 Oct 2009
©1994-2026 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Mooseworks806 Oct 2009 7:04 a.m. PST

I've not seen any yet? Anyone know if Wizards is going to allow this like they did with 3rd Edition?

GypsyComet06 Oct 2009 7:12 a.m. PST

4th Edition was not released under the OGL. There is a paid license available, but very few companies have chosen to do so.

Hexxenhammer06 Oct 2009 7:15 a.m. PST

They do, but with WAY more caveats than the old d20 system.

Most companies I've seen are just ignoring the license and making products for it anyway. You can't copyright rules, so they just make sure not to use any product identity and some (Goodman Games) use different terms for some things, like "bruised" instead of "bloodied."

If you're looking for decent 4e 3rd party products, Goodman Games Dungeon Crawl Classics switched.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian06 Oct 2009 7:15 a.m. PST

Goodman Games (Dungeon Crawl Classics) are using one

richarDISNEY06 Oct 2009 7:20 a.m. PST

Other than Goodman, I cannot seem to recall any other companies doing some.

beer

GypsyComet06 Oct 2009 7:25 a.m. PST

Most companies I've seen are just ignoring the license and making products for it anyway. You can't copyright rules, so they just make sure not to use any product identity and some (Goodman Games) use different terms for some things, like "bruised" instead of "bloodied."

While I applauded the OGL in its day and still like the idea, one of the downsides is that it gives the impression that a license is needed at all. Judges Guild got away with putting "Compatible with…" on their products for years, and legally that is still mostly viable (though it "borrows" the core trademark). Many old 1e products didn't even say that, but still did it.

Hexxenhammer06 Oct 2009 7:42 a.m. PST

Yeah, now it goes, "compatible with the 4th edition of the most popular RPG in the world."

jeffrsonk06 Oct 2009 9:44 a.m. PST

4th Edition was not released under the OGL. There is a paid license available, but very few companies have chosen to do so.

The GSL doesn't cost anything, but it is more restrictive than the OGL was.

Delthos06 Oct 2009 3:59 p.m. PST

Mongoose Publishing is doing stuff for 4th edition. Wraith Recon it's called. Imagine Special Forces units in a Fantasy setting and you've got the idea. They also have the Quintessential Handbooks like they did for 3rd edition.

GypsyComet06 Oct 2009 5:14 p.m. PST

The GSL doesn't cost anything

Ah right. That was the first attempt that had a pricetag attached. Or was that the "early peek" thingy?

Delthos06 Oct 2009 9:21 p.m. PST

The price was for the early adopters. It allowed them to use it about six months before everyone else. Their idea was that only people serious about putting out a good product would pay and there for only good products would be available during those first six or so months, unlike with 3rd edition where there was tons of crap during those first six months. It also made sure they didn't have lots of competition for the products they released during those months. After the fist six or so months you could use for free, although if I'm remembering correctly there is some kind WotC review clause in the new license, where they can make you stop. I could be mistaken on that part, it's been a long time since I looked at the license.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.