"Gaming RED DAWN In 15mm?" Topic

If you were to game it in 15mm . . .

1) Which version would you game? The 1984 film or the 2010 remake?

2) What specific figures would you get?

3) What vehicles?

4) What sort of skirmish scenarios would you play?

5) What rules would you use?

Thanks.

CC
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Yes, and you could use the same tanks

That's a very big, excremental 'If'…

There's a re-make? Seriously, I did not know until your post, CC – I see that it is no more Mr Nice guy with the Chinese, they are the bad guys in this movie

I would use the re-make – there are some Chinese vehicles by QRF and in 15mm you could use Soviet Motor rifles for the troops – if you want the original, Old Glory has lots

Skirmish scenarios? Sweep and clear – Red Quick Reaction Force moving through a town insurgent-hunting

Convoy ambush – clear enough

Dig 'em out – Red Special Forces assaulting insurgents hiding in the hills

Rules – not my forte, but I think there are lots of Modern skirmish rules out there – Ambush Alley springs to mind

Not 15mm, but use the Mongoose Battlefield Evolution figs. They do a futuristic PLA and American forces. You can use the Mideast and Brit forces for militia. :)

Is the new film set in Michigan or just being filmed in Michigan? If the former, I could have fun selecting locations for conventional or insurgent actions. I have been curious about the modern Chinese military, but never had an appealing hypothetical construct to build a miniature force and create scenarios. Being a native Michigander, perhaps this is just the thing to grab my interest.

Mark

1984.

Soviet troops from QRF; vehicles from QRF, OG, Peter Pig and Quality castings. Wolverines from PeterPig AK47/modern Africa line.

It's being filmed in Michigan, looks like Pontiac, Royal Oak, and Mount Clemens. However based on a newspaper box on one of the sets, I think it takes place in Spokane Washington.

This would make sense if only part of the US was occupied.

It would be a lot easier doing the 1984 version as there's lots of Soviet equipment out there in most scales.

Getting anything Chinese in one particular scale is more difficult.

I would do the 1984 version and game parts of the war the characters talked about but did not participate in though probably also some of the insurgent stuff as well.

I was planning on using 20mm Liberation minis for this because they have so many armed civilians with AKs, RPDs, M-16s, RPGs etc. etc.

Haven't done much looking into what vehicle kits I would use, but probably a large selection already out there. Lots of civilian vehicles as well (die cast).

I would use HO model RR buildings which would give a huge variety of American types of houses, stores, gas stations, clutter such as trash cans, mailboxes, etc. etc.

I already own the other scenery of trees, hills, rocks, fields, roads and everything else needed.

I might even model some of the fighting in and around my local area for fun. Maybe the local Warwick Warriors take up arms against the Reds…

Rules would be our own modern supplement called Seek Out Close with and Destroy (platoon level modern combat) though I might also use a 1:1 scale man to man variant I am working on or the pulp version of the rules Jayson is working on…

So basically I have already thought about this can't you tell?

What Irishserb said for miniatures.

For rules probably Ambush Alley and Force on Force.
This subject has gotten quite a bit of discussion on the AA Games forum.

I will only say two words on the subject:

GO BADGERS!

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Dude! It was!

No, it was Wombats wasn't it?

Why 15mm? I don't remember any of the battles needing that scale, 28mm Swayze would be better….

For me it would have been Wildcats…

In case anyone needs a little inspiration . . .

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I just love these captions:

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CC

There are some cool ideas here. But I'd prefer using 28mm and would definately go with THW's FNG: Unconventional Warfare.

Who gets the part of Jennifer Grey's nose?

Figures…I'd think about the Sahadeen Infantry from Rebel Minis. They've got a pretty good "insurgent" look to them.

No one makes any Chinese in 15mm a much missed opportunity ..!

No one makes any Chinese in 15mm a much missed opportunity ..!

…yes, yes, I know… modern Chinese infantry on the list. Give me a chance, just got the Germans done.

"No one makes any Chinese in 15mm a much missed opportunity ..!"

Waitasecond! I thought I saw someone coming out with a line of modern PLA in the last couple of months. They were all wearing the new Fritz-ish helmets and were armed with bullpups. I just can't remember now which company was doing it.

Are these the outfits they wear in the Chinese military now?

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Just kiddin'. Are these it then?

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CC

I cannot answer most of your questions because I have never played any modern (for circa 1980's) miniatures games, so I am not familiar with any rules for this nor am I familiar with any manufacturers of miniatures for that era of for this ear (for the Chinese).

However, I would most definitely not limit myself to 1984 or 2010. I would start with gaming the original series and eventually expand my collection of miniatures so I could fight some 2010 battles.

As for scenarios, I would definitely fight some of the battles in the movie, such as the ambush of the vehicle convoy and the ambush of the patrol when the Soviets/Cubans were looking for the transmitter. I think, though, that this would be best played out as a campaign.

I thought I saw someone coming out with a line of modern PLA in the last couple of months.

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Yeah, I thought there was some modern 28mm Chinese greens I saw posted a few weeks back.

28mm would be great. Use Plasticville buildings for that small mid-west town feel and then cover them with communist posters.

This might help with the question of resistance fighters in winter gear:

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CC

Yeah, I thought there was some modern 28mm Chinese greens I saw posted a few weeks back.

That was me, they aren't just greens anymore :)
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Nothing similar in 15mm, I take it?

CC

Not that i have heard of atleast :/

5) What rules would you use?

For the 1984 version atleast, i think CR3/FNG..

Check out these new figures by Rebel Minis:

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Dan

Australia's version of Red Dawn is also scheduled for release in 2010:

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Dan

Any new 15mm figure releases suitable for this?

Anything for the 1984 original?
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Or, perhaps, for the 2010 remake?
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Any new figures good enough to use as "Wolverines"?

Dan
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These are going to be my "Wolverines":

rebelminis.com/15poapsu.html

The setting will probably end up being a Neo-Soviet invasion of the USA 20 years from now . . . in 2030?

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QUESTION:

By the way, has everyone seen the previews of the Australian movie "Tomorrow, When The War Began" (with a modern setting of the Red Dawn concept)?

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Dan

Does this mean there might be suitable 15mm figures some time soon?

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Dan, if you add the "Sepelvedan Freedom Fighters" to your Rebel Minis Survivalists I think youll have a good base of minis for the Resistance.

In regards to the above question, I dont think we will see any of the Eureka Moderns, except maybe the Russians, any time soon. That is, unless sales dramatically increase for one of the lines.

I hope the PLA does better sales. Im quite pleased with how the Chechens and Russians are moving along. Hopefully, the Russians will cross the finish line by Christmas and we will see them in production by mid 2011.

Keep spreading the good word!

Awesome!

As for scenario ideas that involve Wolverines with some weapons experience already under their belts, this is what I come up with:

Night raid the concentration camp
Rescue group about to be executed along roadside
Night hit and run of fuel depot at airport
Night attack on supply train

Anything else I may have missed?

Dan
PS. Also, don't you think that, in each of those situations, the original Wolverines would be supported by additional, less experienced recruits?

CC, of course they would. But to many charecters running around on the movie set gets hard to keep track off, so they just where not in the movie. But no reason not to include them in a game.

Owen

15mm Chinese PLA from Rebel Minis, now available:

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In case you need them, here are some propaganda posters for your Chinese invasion "Red Dawn":

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Enjoy.

Dan

And, if anyone finds foreign enemies to be less realistic than domestic ones . . .

How about a game based on Jericho?

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Dan

Lookee, lookee here:

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Does that look like a teeny tiny glimmer of hope for a modern 15mm Red Dawn-like group?

Dan
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This time I'll be rooting for the Chinese then!

I think this shows the wide variety of camo in use – as with all armed forces I think the standard woodland camo is now regarded to be a bit 'common' and most of the people i saw in Shanghai and Beijing (officers) were either in Digital or semi desert
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see also the below – which then goes on to comment though that maybe they have sevral sets for different seasons (which is more than many British troops have had in the past!)
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Still they should be good at uniform making as apparently they are doing the new British Army ones for us

"They were so young….!!!"

And SO camp…

"They were so young….!!!"

And SO camp…

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LOL – yes – I don't think there was huge amount of pro-patriot sympathy in the cinema when I watched it "please Cuban paras just kill them all now and we can go home"

They will come a'knockin' soon enough:

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So make sure you get yourselves some of these too:

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Dan
PS. As foretold in "prophecy" back in 1928:
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Now the Koreans can finally stage their invasion properly …

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Dan