CmdrKiley | 05 Oct 2009 12:11 p.m. PST |
Looks like Hollywood is making a remake of the 1984 movie Red Dawn. This time the US is occupied by the Chinese. Parts of this movie have been recently filmed here in Michigan this past week. There's lots of pics on this fan site. reddawn2010.com |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Oct 2009 12:37 p.m. PST |
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The Black Tower | 05 Oct 2009 12:46 p.m. PST |
In the 1984 the Reds were the bad guys -I guess the Hollywood chiefs didn't have he s to show the Taliban taking over the USA! |
mad monkey 1 | 05 Oct 2009 1:02 p.m. PST |
That's because they don't have any boats. |
Jemima Fawr | 05 Oct 2009 1:24 p.m. PST |
Why? Wasn't it enough the first time? |
The Black Tower | 05 Oct 2009 1:29 p.m. PST |
No, but they do take planes
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Frederick | 05 Oct 2009 1:29 p.m. PST |
I have to agree that the original Red Dawn was pretty bad – so, the bad guys have morphed into the Chinese If you think the Russians were tough occupiers, wait 'til those Chinese guys arrive! |
Captain Apathy | 05 Oct 2009 1:42 p.m. PST |
I love the propaganda posters. Nice. |
royaleddy | 05 Oct 2009 2:11 p.m. PST |
in 20 years time they'll make it again with Canucks as the villains. |
Number6 | 05 Oct 2009 3:04 p.m. PST |
Chinese investment bankers? |
Dr Mathias | 05 Oct 2009 4:35 p.m. PST |
I watched Red Dawn almost every time I spent the night at my friends house
dozens of times I bet. At least until we discovered 'Aliens'. I'm sure it doesn't hold up as well as I remember it, but at the time I loved that movie
when I was a teenager I was sure the Soviets were going to attack us! My favorite thing about that movie was the Hind-D gunship. I meticulously painted a model Hind
look where I am today! |
nazrat | 05 Oct 2009 7:23 p.m. PST |
"Why? Wasn't it ty enough the first time?" Exactly. Well done, R Mark! |
SeattleGamer | 05 Oct 2009 8:14 p.m. PST |
Red Dawn is one of my guilty pleasure movies. I have no business liking it as much as I do, but for some reason, it appeals to me on a bunch of levels. WOLVERINES! |
Tgerritsen | 05 Oct 2009 8:23 p.m. PST |
I'm waiting for the British version where we invade ourselves, and then there are zombies, or dragons, or zombie dragons. I think it will be called Red Reign, 28 Months Later |
dilettante | 05 Oct 2009 9:10 p.m. PST |
I wonder if they'll crib anything from Robert Heinlein's book,'The Day After Tomorrow' (aka 'The Sixth Column') |
McKinstry | 05 Oct 2009 9:37 p.m. PST |
So the Chinese cut off Wal-Mart, the economy tanks and we surrender? A plucky band of teenage freedom fighters secretly manufacture highly affordable consumer goods and thwart the red(ish) menace? |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Oct 2009 10:58 p.m. PST |
This would make more sense than an invasion by the Chinese: abc.go.com/shows/v I love the line . . . "The world is in such bad shape, who wouldn't welcome a savior right now?" CC |
Ron W DuBray | 06 Oct 2009 6:08 a.m. PST |
they are also redoing nightmare on elm st. at lease Red Dawn could have some cool battles in it. |
nazrat | 06 Oct 2009 6:49 a.m. PST |
Jeez, V looks like Human Models Fighting Alien Models
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Frederick | 06 Oct 2009 9:52 a.m. PST |
You know, to play Devil's Advocate, why would the Chinese invade when they own most of the stuff already? I can remember having dinner in Washington when the whole Hainan Island incident with the mid-air collision between a USAF EP-3 and a Chinese jet fighter took place in 2001 – we were having a review visit with a bunch of staffers from the NIH – one of them said, "May as well have a war with China now while we still have a chance of beating them" |
CmdrKiley | 06 Oct 2009 10:42 a.m. PST |
Perhaps they're afraid, from past experience, of the people rising up and 'nationalizing' all the Chinese owned properties. |
Sargonarhes | 06 Oct 2009 10:52 a.m. PST |
It would be a political firestorm to say why Hollywood doesn't have it as the Taliban, although I think there was a movie like that before staring Chuck Norris. Actually the way Hollywood is now I'm surprised they'd remake a movie like this at all. However seeing a website that says DVD sales are down by 25%, so Hollywood is going with movie remakes, based on old TV shows and toys. Because Hollywood is getting to where they can't pay the salaries of these big buck personalities. |
drummer | 06 Oct 2009 11:51 a.m. PST |
Invasion USA, starring Chuck Norris! Now there's a classic. I especially loved the landing barges filled with rifle toting "evil doers" landing on empty Florida beaches! Does anyone make a Chuck Norris figure? |
Failure16 | 07 Oct 2009 1:43 p.m. PST |
I just rewatched Red Dawn a week or so ago and felt it held its own, for what it was. In any case, I suppose I am just hoping that they can do better than the awful paintjob on that MICV. One of the main points for me regarding the original was the attention to detail that they spent in regards to Eastern Bloc equipment. Let's hope that they at least manage to hold that aesthetic. Oh, the EP-3 was USN, not USAF. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but I have a personal attachment to that aircraft, so I figured I'd mention it. |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Apr 2010 9:50 p.m. PST |
Australia's version of Red Dawn is also scheduled for release in 2010: TMP link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Apr 2010 9:56 p.m. PST |
Here are the Chinese troops depicted in the 2010 version of Red Dawn: picture link link Dan PS. I wonder if, in this new version, some of our "allies" finally come to the US to assist in fending off the invaders. |
Lookingglassman | 06 Apr 2010 5:55 a.m. PST |
I loved the original Red Dawn and plan to go see this one |
Cacique Caribe | 06 Apr 2010 1:14 p.m. PST |
Lookingglassman, I think that you, me and a few others, are in the minority these days. I feel that these are some of the real reasons why some say they disliked the film . . . With some of the critics, hindsight is 20/20. They judge the film based on today's filming standards (no CGI, no major budget, not always authentic in weaponry and other props, and the casting of inexperienced or less than great actors). Some mock the military side of the film, particularly the successes of a bunch of kids against trained Russian and other troops. So what if it wasn't technically right in most cases. I seriously doubt that the film makers had planned to produce a documentary. However, it was right in other ways. For example, the hit and run tactics used by the kids is exactly how a large number of untrained peasant guerrillas in Indochina (albeit supported by some outsiders) succeeded in defeating the French and later the US. Some see the film almost as propaganda for the right. They think it was part of a paranoia campaign of some sort, which they feel prolonged the cold war. A much smaller number (particularly some non-US citizens and the extreme left in the US), views the patriotic resistance by a small band of American kids as insulting, mainly because it seems to portray Americans as the only ones always willing to fight for freedom and not willing to give up (even though the film clearly shows a group of Americans that collaborate with the enemy). They object to the un-PC way the invaders are described and portrayed, including how a large number of the invaders infiltrated into the country as illegal aliens. That offends them because they feel it seems to justify fear, suspicion and resentment toward illegal aliens. They are quick to judge past actions based on the presumed widely accepted values of today. Like you, I loved the film. I think that, with limited budget and resources, the film realistically portrayed the fears we all had at that time. It showed the invaders following exactly the type of assimilation and control tactics that Castro used in Cuba, and that other Communists have used in other lands. The film was balanced enough to show that not all US. citizens would resist, and that a few (including elected officials, and even some among the Wolverines) would collaborate. As a friend of mine expressed a few minutes ago . . . "The initial screen texts set up the scenario quite well, the invasion was mainly Central American troops stiffened by Russians, the invaders followed textbook Communist occupation/invasion tactics (the whole bit about going to the gun stores/police offices and getting the names and addresses of gun owners was *exactly* what Castro did when they took over in Cuba), etc. I seem to remember that the kids spent more time wondering what the hell they were going to do and having trouble bringing themselves to kill people – who were shown to be very human, for the most part. And by the end, they were starving, and losing
" In this global political climate, I don't quite understand how the sequel will produce the same effect as the original. Most kids, young adults and college students today don't understand the mentality we had during the cold war, and they feel that vilifying N. Korea and other nations today is childish nonsense. They feel that the idea of an invasion of the US is ridiculous, not because they are patriotic in any way, but because they feel everything can be solved through dialogue, despite what history has proven to be true time and time again. I can argue these points with the critics until I'm blue in the face. Yet, the fact that they went to see the original film and may even go see the sequel, shows that the film is successful in attracting an audience. Sorry to ramble, but these are some of my thoughts on why people today are so critical of the film. Right or wrong, they are my thoughts, and I should be allowed to have an opinion, however unpopular it may seem by some these days, right? :) Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 06 Apr 2010 1:19 p.m. PST |
However good or bad you think the film was, the fact remains that it could make for a great skirmish gaming scenario. Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 07 Apr 2010 6:20 a.m. PST |
Hmm Well, it looks like some people don't want SF gamers to benefit from a search for suitable figures: TMP link Dan |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 07 Apr 2010 7:43 a.m. PST |
Kyoteblue – do you have a full link to that alt history site please? |
Lampyridae | 07 Apr 2010 8:11 a.m. PST |
Remember drummer any 28mm Chuck Norris figure is still only 23mm tall
because if Chuck Norris was even average height, the space-time fabric would simply rupture from the awesome Norris factor. |
Cacique Caribe | 07 Apr 2010 9:47 a.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 16 Jan 2011 7:48 a.m. PST |
15mm Chinese PLA from Rebel Minis, now available: link Dan TMP link |
Martin From Canada | 16 Jan 2011 2:37 p.m. PST |
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badger22 | 16 Jan 2011 3:04 p.m. PST |
Not even a full year, no where near the record. owen |
Cacique Caribe | 16 Jan 2011 5:35 p.m. PST |
Well , if it hasn't come out yet, it certainly can't be old news. Dan |
Martin From Canada | 16 Jan 2011 9:13 p.m. PST |
The movie should be out in the next 3-6 months. From what I've read, the movie is essentially done, but the chapter 11 of MGM studios has put the movie in limbo. Now that MGM is sorting itself out, many investers are banking on this movie to recoup some of thier losses
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chironex | 16 Jan 2011 11:33 p.m. PST |
CC: Comparisons between Red Dawn and Tomorrow, When The War Began were inevitable, which leads reviewers to remark that they feel they've seen it all before, due to them all having seen Red Dawn. I have also, and hesitate to compare the two so much I have purchased Tomorrow, when the War Began but haven't watched it yet. I was wondering when it would show up here though.
Really what is it with moviemakers and the bookstore? ps your link to the topic doesn't work. No topics with that ID number. |
Uesugi Kenshin | 21 Jan 2011 6:16 a.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 21 Jan 2011 8:12 a.m. PST |
I guess China invades us because they heard how bad it went for them in the first film: Jed Eckert:
Well, who *is* on our side? Col. Andy Tanner: Six hundred million screaming Chinamen. Darryl Bates: Last I heard, there were a billion screaming Chinamen. Col. Andy Tanner: There *were*. [he throws whiskey on the fire; it ignites violently, suggesting a nuclear explosion] Dan |