| AlanYork | 02 Oct 2009 4:09 p.m. PST |
Columbia Games have produced a Wars Of The Roses game, has anyone played it? I just looked it up on Boardgame Geek (I really hate that title, just because I have a hobby it doesn't make me a geek). It looked OK at first glance, but then I looked closer. They have put York in South Yorkshire. I was born in York and I can assure you that York is most certainly NOT in South Yorkshire. It was England's second city in the Middle Ages, the capital of the North and it is in NORTH Yorkshire, a totally seperate county. It might seem like a minor point but I'd think twice before buying an American Civil War game that placed Richmond in Maryland. |
| Ivan the Reasonable | 02 Oct 2009 11:44 p.m. PST |
The game can't be that bad surely? |
| Martin Rapier | 03 Oct 2009 2:54 a.m. PST |
During the Wars of the Roses there was only 'Yorkshire', I guess divided into the east, west and north ridings (maybe that was later?). No such thing as South Yorkshire. Many people still don't accept the idea of Yorkshire being broken up into separate counties anyway. I live in Yorkshire, but I was born in Lancashire. A splitter! |
| Connard Sage | 03 Oct 2009 3:10 a.m. PST |
I know that Yorkshiremen have an unbendable (and unaccountable) pride for God's Own County, but, as you should know… Yorkshire used to be a single county, divided into 'ridings' for administrative purposes. There was no North or South Yorkshire until 1974 Where have they put Wakefield and Towton BTW?  |
| Connard Sage | 03 Oct 2009 3:11 a.m. PST |
*sigh* You go for a whizz between composing and posting, and someone beats you to it :) |
| Cerdic | 03 Oct 2009 4:01 a.m. PST |
The 'ridings' were a Norse administrative unit – comes from the word 'treading', meaning 'thirding'. Hence why there are three ridings. …..and I'm not even from Yorkshire, but I did marry a northern lass……. |
| Jeremy Sutcliffe | 03 Oct 2009 12:57 p.m. PST |
Saddleworth got rescued from being in Yorkshire in 1974 when it was attached to Greater Manchester. Its residents have never been grateful! |
| 10thFoot | 03 Oct 2009 2:33 p.m. PST |
Nothing wrong with being a geek. Embrace it! A slight geographical slip is the least of your problems. On a par with misspelling separate. |
| Connard Sage | 04 Oct 2009 3:19 a.m. PST |
I just looked at the map. At least you still have Yorkshire. Staffordshire and Worcestershire don't exist. The cities of Worcester, Stafford and Lichfield are in Warwick. And poor old Wales consists of only four counties. picture Devonshire's been amalgamated too, Exeter's in Cornwall. |
| Major Mike | 04 Oct 2009 5:46 a.m. PST |
Check out these two games in developement from GMT Games:
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It has a pre-production map you can look at.
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This is a card game.
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| reddrabs | 04 Oct 2009 6:43 a.m. PST |
"I live in Yorkshire, but I was born in Lancashire. A missionary!" corrected. To be fair, counties per se were not that important to a map refight of the WOTR as all depended on your landlord. Many in Lancashire fought for "the shining star" and many in Yorkshire fought for the "SSSSSS". |
| andygamer | 04 Oct 2009 8:59 a.m. PST |
Do they have South Essex on the map? |
| gpruitt | 06 Oct 2009 9:40 a.m. PST |
I have the game and have played it a few times. It is quite good. Being a block game it has fog-of-war and step reduction built in. The game consists of three "campaigns" each made up of 7 turns. Each player gets seven cards that allow for 2 to four actions or perhaps an event. You play one card for each of your seven turns. After the seven turns are done, the pretender's heirs go into exile and all of the nobles go to a home castle. Levies and mercenaries go back into your force pool. As a teen in the 1970's I played a lot of AH Kingmaker with my friends. This is a very different sort of game, but the setting and the heraldry really bring back good memories. The locations of cities, town and counties produces a very tense and exciting game. A truly historical map would not necessarily produce the proper game effect. For example: when nobles go home at the end of a campaign, they will go to exile instead if there is an enemy block in their home region. Having the home castles for de Vere and Bourchier both in Essex means that typically one of them will end up in exile. So I give the benefit of the doubt to the designer when it comes to map configuration. He may have purposefully sacrificed geographical precision for improved gameplay. |
| AlanYork | 07 Oct 2009 5:53 p.m. PST |
"Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you.
If he does not, why humiliate him?" – Canon Sydney Smith I saw this on the Field Of Glory site and thought I would share it with you as it made me smile. Regards
Alan |
| Chosen Man | 11 Oct 2009 8:15 a.m. PST |
**Staffordshire and Worcestershire don't exist.**
I have recently been looking in to my family history (mothers side), and have traced the roots of my Grandfather back as far as 1716 in Kemble. In some records it shows as the one County but in others it is classified as the other. Your comment re Wales also made me chuckle Connard as it appears from my Grandmothers side that I have some Welsh blood (does this mean I can sing in tune?) It seems I am a proper cocktail of Celt and other British beginnings… Just as well I like a bit of history then.
;-) |
| Jemima Fawr | 12 Oct 2009 4:02 a.m. PST |
Just to be Devil's Advocate: having drawn a few campaign maps for club campaigns, I've discovered that you do often have to take liberties with geography, amalgamating counties, duchies, principalities, etc into larger 'regions' for reasons of gameplay. This doesn't necessarily demonstrate a lack of historical knowledge on the part of the game designer. I hope no natives of Mecklenburg-Strelitz get offended because I have lumped them in with Mecklenburg-Schwerin… Ditto Baden-Baden and Baden-Durlach… Or that I have erased the County of Oldenburg… |
