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DELETEDNAME125 Sep 2009 8:57 p.m. PST

I am really impressed by this forum. I hope some of you can help me with the correct command organization for Russian infantry 1802-1815. Below is what I "think" is the correct breakdown into battalions and companies, with the names/numbers of the various components and the [actual commanding officer in brackets]. This is done for a full-strength unit, with everyone promoted to the rank nominally assigned to their function, and no one detached, commanding a higher formation, etc.
Can you please lookk this over and tell me where I have it wrong?
Thanks in advance,
Frayer

shtat 30.iv.1802 (os) :: grenadier regiment [shef]
-- also for the Leib-grenadier regiment, replacing "fusilier" with "grenadier", and renumbering the companies 1st through 12th grenadiers
-- also for musketeer regiments, replacing "fusilier" with "musketeer"
-- also for jager regiments from 16.viii.1806 (os), replacing "fusilier" and "grenadier" with "jager", and renumbering the companies 1st through 12th jagers

1st shef's grenadier batalion [(starshiy) mayor]
-- 1st shef's grenadier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 2nd (starshiy) mayor's grenadier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 3rd grenadier company [kapitan]
-- 4th grenadier company [mayor]

2nd podpolkovnik's fusilier battalion [podpolkovnik]
-- 1st podpolkovnik's fusilier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 2nd fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 3rd fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 4th fusilier company [mayor]

3rd polkovnik's fusilier battalion [polkovnik]
-- 5th polkovnik's fusilier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 6th fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 7th fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 8th fusilier company [mayor]


[shtat 12.x.1810 (os) :: grenadier regiment [shef]
-- also for the Leib-grenadier regiment from 31.x.1810 (os), replacing "fusilier" with "grenadier", and renumbering the companies 1st through 12th grenadiers
-- also for infantry (former musketeer) regiments, replacing "fusilier" with "musketeer"
-- also for jager regiments, replacing "fusilier" with "jager"
-- on 3.iv.1814 (os), for distinction 6 jager regiments were designated grenadier-jager regiments – on 30.viii.1815 (os) these were renamed as carabinier regiments, and their grenadier companies were then renamed as carabinier companies

1st shef's battalion [(starshiy) mayor]
-- 1st grenadier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 1st fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 2nd fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 3rd fusilier company [mayor]

3rd komandir's battalion [polkovnik]
-- 3rd grenadier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 7th fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 8th fusilier company [kapitan]
-- 9th fusilier company [mayor]

2nd podpolkovnik's zapasnyy battalion [podpolkovnik]
-- 2nd grenadier company [mayor]
-- 4th fusilier company [stabs-kapitan]
-- 5th fusilier company [stabs-kapitan *, later poruchik]
-- 6th fusilier company [kapitan]

4th reservnyy batallion [* stabs-kapitan] – formed for infantry and jager regiments per ukazy 19/22.xi.1811 (os), and all disbanded by July 1813
-- 1st recrutskiy musketeer/jager company [mladshi ofitser]
-- 2nd recrutskiy musketeer/jager company [mladshi ofitser]
-- 3rd recrutskiy musketeer/jager company [mladshi ofitser]

nvrsaynvr26 Sep 2009 11:39 a.m. PST

Very impressive. I have not seen that presented before. What is your source?

(I will note that the 1802 TOE for Jaegers had only one major, the others replaced by captains.)

DELETEDNAME126 Sep 2009 1:12 p.m. PST

Thank you.

But, really, no special sources : Viskovatov, Tarle, a Shtat or two, etc. The details come mostly from reading too many times something like "Podpolkovnik Ivanov's battalion", "Stabs-kapitan Kuznetsov and his company" and so on, plus counting named officers from lists of killed/wounded/rewarded – and trying to match the sourced info.

That's why I listed the question – to see if anyone really "knew" these details more precisely.

Example : I can't find any contemporary usage of "carabinier" for the jagers prior to the name change for their distinguished regiments on 30.viii.1815 (os). But many rules, and gamers and some "noted authors" have "carabinier-jagers" bouncing around in 1812 year.

Example : I have found stab-kapitans detached to get the 4th reservnyy battalion. I have also found the new inductees led to their assignments by company, with only a junior officer and trusted under-officer. And even led out by a local retired officer. So, which of these (or some other?) method was the intended, planned, "official" method ? Was this process more a "depot push" or a "regiment pull"?

Example : I have seen a regimental history refer to a "12th company" of a low-numbered jager regiment of 1805. And we know the separate numbering of grenadier companies after 12.x.1810 (os). But I am not sure I have the correct standard company numbering for the earlier organization (first table).

And so on! And so on!

I realize the special situation for the jagers prior to their homologation with the rest of the regiments after Austerlitz. I should have noted it more explicitly than just writing "for jager regiments from 16.viii.1806 (os)".

Even two simple tables lead to many questions.

Thanks again,
Frayer

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