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Steven H Smith22 Sep 2009 10:14 a.m. PST

I did some research regarding the incident between Alexander I and Vandamme in 1813. I had originally thought that it only appeared in Marbot. Clearly, it appeared as early as 1814. Can anyone add to this search?

Marbot:

English text:
"Thereupon the Emperor Alexander, in a rage, ordered the arrest of Vandamme, calling him 'plunderer ' and ' brigand.' Vandamme replied, looking Alexander proudly in the face : ' I am no plunderer or brigand; and, anyhow, history will not reproach me with having murdered my own father!' Alexander turned pale at this allusion to the assassination of his father, Paul I., to which he had been accused by rumour of having assented from fear of sharing the same fate, and quickly left the room. The French general, strictly watched, was taken to Wintka, on the Siberian frontier, and did not return home till after the peace of 1814."

French text:
"… En entendant ces paroles, l'empereur Alexandre, furieux, ordonna d'arrêter Vandamme, auquel il donna les épithètes de pillard et de brigand! Vandamme répondit, en regardant fièrement Alexandre en face: « Je ne suis ni pillard ni brigand; mais, dans « tous les cas, mes contemporains et l'histoire ne me « reprocheront pas d'avoir trempé mes mains dans le « sang de mon père ! » Alexandre pâlit à cette allusion faite à la catastrophe de l'assassinat de Paul I", son père, auquel la voix publique l'accusait d'avoir donné son assentiment,de crainte d'être lui-même mis à mort par les conjurés. Atterré par les souvenirs de la scène horrible à laquelle il devait le trône, et que Vandamme venait de lui rappeler d'une façon presque directe devant son nombreux état-major et un peloton de ses gardes, Alexandre s'éloigna rapidement. Le gênerai français, gardé àà vue, fut conduit à Wintka, aux frontières de la Sibérie, et ne revit sa patrie qu'après la paix de 1814."


"When captured by the Russians in 1812 [sic], and reproached by the Tsar Alexander as a "brigand," the General replied: " I may be a brigand, but I did not kill my father." That Alexander did not find the allusion to his unexplained share in Paul's death pleasant is no matter for surprise."


"For his insolent conduct to the Emperor of Russia, he was sent a prisoner into Russia, and there committed to the care of the gallant Rostopchin, at.Mosccw, who made a show of him, like another monster." See:

The Campaigns of 1812, 1813, and 1814: Also, the Causes and Consequences of the French Revolution. To which is Added, the French Confiscations, Contributions, Requisitions, &c. &c.
from 1793, Till 1814 by James MacQueen Printed by Edward Khull for W. Sommerville, A.
Fullarton, J. Blackie, 1814:

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"Quand Vandamme est prisonnier d'Alexandre (p. 553), celui-ci lui reproche durement d'être un pillard, un voleur, un assassin ; il est vrai que le premier répond : « du moins je n'ai pas souillé mes mains du sang de mon père ; » mais la réponse ne détruit pas l'accusation de pillage."
Histoire populaire de la révolution francaise de 1789 á 1830: précédée d'une introduction contenant le précis de l'histoire des Francais depuis leur origine jusqu'aux États-géneraus, Volume 2, by Etienne Cabet. Published by Pagnerre, 1840:

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"Vandamme et Alexandre.
Le général Vandamme, ayant été fait prisonnier sur les Russes, fut conduit devant l'empereur Alexandre, qui lui reprocha durement d'être un voleur, un pillard et un brigand; ajoutant qu'on n'accorderait aucune grâce à un homme d'un caractère aussi exécrable. Cette apostrophe fut suivie d' un ordre de l'envoyer en Sybérie, tandis que les autres prisonniers étaient envoyés à une destination beaucoup moins septentrionale. Vandamme répliqua avec un sang-froid imperturbable: " II est possible, sire, que je sois un voleur et un pillard; mais au moins je n' ai pas à me reprocher d'avoir trempé mes mains dans le sang de mon père!" Progressive French anecdotes and questions intended as a reading, reciting, and question book: and forming a guide … to conversational French narration by Alexander G. Collot. Published by Hayes & Zell, 1844:

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"In the real world, nothing happens at the right place at the right time. It is the job of journalists and historians to correct that." Mark Twain.

von Winterfeldt22 Sep 2009 10:47 p.m. PST

A book printed in 1813 says that :

Man führte ihn gleich nach seiner Gefangennehmung vor den russischen Kaiser. Zu diesem sage van Damm : " Er Majestät, es ist ein Unglück, besiegt, abre noch ein größeres, zum Gefangenen gemacht zu werden ; doch schätze ich mich glücklich, in die Hände eines so großmüthigen Gegner gerathen zu seyn – (…)
(no page number but it is on page 4 and 5)

Merkwürdige Lebensbeschreibung das uns allen sehr bekannten französischen Generals Vandamme der mit seinem Corps am 30sten August 1813, von unserer tapferen Armee gefangen, und darauf nach Rußland gebracht ist, 1813

no author given but this pamphlet (a few pages only) is signed by "Jonas Spitzfeder" (maybe not his correct name)

It is a sort of anti Vandamme pamphlet.

Recently a biography was published about Van Damme – what does it say about the incident

Steven H Smith22 Sep 2009 11:53 p.m. PST

Thank you.

Napoleon's enfant terrible: General Dominique Vandamme by John G Gallaher. Norman (Oklahoma): University of Oklahoma Press, 2008. Series: Campaigns and commanders, v. 15.

I have a copy but not where I am right now.

Rustveli23 Nov 2009 9:50 a.m. PST

Steven, my translation of memoirs of Kolzakov, who witnessed this event, is available on the Napoleon Series.

138SquadronRAF23 Nov 2009 1:13 p.m. PST

John Gallaher does not relate the story from Marbot, indicating what weight he gives to that source.

I would recommend 'Napoleon's enfant terrible' as a great resource.

Steven H Smith23 Nov 2009 2:35 p.m. PST

Thanks, Rusty, I forgot about that one!

Big Al

Memoir of Admiral Paul Andreyevich Kolzakov: the Capture of General Vandamme 18 August 1813:

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138SquadronRAF25 Nov 2009 1:31 p.m. PST

Thank you, that together with furhter researches on the 1811 campaign convinces me that Marbot cannot be relied up.

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