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Timmo uk28 Aug 2009 11:35 a.m. PST

Couple of questions in reference to the Battle of Britain period:

I know they used high alt Ju88's but did the Germans have an equivalent of the PR Spitfire?

What other types did they use for Recce over England other than Ju88s?

Thanks in advance.

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Aug 2009 11:41 a.m. PST

Dornier 17 (mainly Do.17P), Heinkel 111, Bf.110 C-5, FW.200 maritime obviously. No single-engine.

Phil Gray28 Aug 2009 2:22 p.m. PST

there's the Ju86 – I think its either r or the p – the P is the very high altitude pressurised crew compartment version that they used a lot over Russia…

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Aug 2009 2:49 p.m. PST

Good point, but only a handful – the Ju-86P prototype first flew in February 1940, and I'm pretty sure the second staffel of Kommando Rowehl was the only unit to have them in the Battle Of Britain, even them only having a flight or so at that stage, I think. They also make for a bloody boring game, as nothing in the RAF at the time could reach their altitude…. I think the first shot down by the Brits was over Egypt in August '42, and even then it needed a stripped down Spitfire V to get up to it.

<Edit> A quick Google later – interesting thread on Rowehl…. link

Fatman29 Aug 2009 1:25 a.m. PST

I have a vauge memory of the Arado Ar 240 prototypes being used for fast rece over the UK. Will dig out some references after I finish beating my teenage son into some early morning house work!

Fatman29 Aug 2009 1:46 a.m. PST

OK son suitably motivated, and with only the threat of not getting fed!

A quick check shows that the Ar 240s didn't appear until late 41 early 42. At that time high speed and abilty to maintain speed above 10,000m, 33.000ft gave it some chance of getting back.

From what I can see Dom is, as usual, pretty much on the money, did we ever doubt him? :-)

Fatman

Phil Gray29 Aug 2009 1:53 a.m. PST

high altitude does have its own risks, even if the enemy isn't one of them – RAF B17s found that out…

Fatman29 Aug 2009 1:53 a.m. PST

Dom

The Ju-86 over Egypt didn't they, even whith the stripped and souped up Mk V have to catch it as it climbed to altitude over the sea?

Fatman

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Aug 2009 2:55 a.m. PST

I don't know to be honest – never read a detailed write-up of it, but it certainly sounds plausible.

RockyRusso29 Aug 2009 11:43 a.m. PST

Hi

I had a now deceased friend who back in the 70s introduced me to Galland who flew recon. He flew various 109s, but mostly 110s over england in the BOB as a recon aircraft.

R

Timmo uk30 Aug 2009 2:40 a.m. PST

Thanks all – I found details of a recce version of the 109 – Me109 E5. No wing cannon but cameras instead but it doesn't really fit what I was thinking around but it wasn't a game of shooting down recce planes. As Dom mentioned that would be rather dull.

Company D Miniatures30 Aug 2009 4:58 a.m. PST

Blohm & Voss HA 141?

Company D Miniatures30 Aug 2009 5:02 a.m. PST

Blohm & Voss BV 141? or was that used later?

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Aug 2009 11:20 a.m. PST

BV 141 hardly saw service at all, but like the FW 189 it was firmly a tactical recce aircraft – wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes over England.

Company D Miniatures30 Aug 2009 12:19 p.m. PST

Dom- it sure was a peculiar looking thing though :)

Personal logo Doms Decals Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Aug 2009 12:50 p.m. PST

Yes – that seems to be what doomed it – performance was up to scratch for the role, but there was massive resistance to such an odd-looking beast, so the FW got the contracts instead.

Fatman01 Sep 2009 9:54 a.m. PST

I've got to admit I have two. One in Luftwaffe coulers and one as a Rumanian! Just a little flighty of fancy

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