| imitchellsmith | 27 Aug 2009 12:03 a.m. PST |
Hi everyone, I was hoping for advice on a few questions – a friend and I are just about to start a naval Punic war project. -Is there a way to do 1/300 without paying as much as Langton? Has anyone played with Langton 1/300, and are they very fragile? -We will look into Corvus, but any recommendations on a rules set that works well for 1/300 scale Galleys? We are looking to have a number of ships eventually. -Any advice on scale if we didn't go with 1/300? We are thinking of 1/650 (warrior), and maybe 15mm, but even with his table (8'x16') I don't know how many ships in 15mm we will be able to maneuver (or afford, to be honest). Thanks in advance,
IMS |
| Grizwald | 27 Aug 2009 1:15 a.m. PST |
One of the problems I have with ancient naval wargames is that ancient navies were HUGE – often numbering several hundred vessels. I have yet to find a set of rules that can adequately handle that size of fleets. |
| tadamson | 27 Aug 2009 3:31 a.m. PST |
there is a fair range of 1/1200 galleys around that look good and are small enough. However it's really hard to look beyond Holtz' Roman Seas
romanseas.com ships, buildings, rules, hex maps the lot. |
 Virtualscratchbuilder   | 27 Aug 2009 4:27 a.m. PST |
You can also look at Valiant in 1/900. |
| JamesonFirefox | 27 Aug 2009 6:35 a.m. PST |
I've long thought that for ancient galley battles rules need to treat entire squadrons like we do units of troops in our land games. Rather than maneuver and fight each of 3 or 400 triremes we ought to be maneuvering and fighting squadrons of 30-50 vessels. May need to do some book work to keep track of losses etc. though. |
| Caesar | 27 Aug 2009 7:04 a.m. PST |
Roman Seas is probably what you are looking for.
It's high on my list of projects. |
| Cpt Arexu | 27 Aug 2009 2:15 p.m. PST |
If you're good with your hands, Roman Seas galleys can be scaled down to 1/600, printed, and assembled. As many as you're prepared to build, for the cost of the file, paper, and ink. I did it for a test, but couldn't convince myself it was fun to make them so small. Now that I've got mechanical help*, though, I'm thinking about revisiting it… *from this digital cutter:
link |
| GreyONE | 28 Aug 2009 3:24 a.m. PST |
"One of the problems I have with ancient naval wargames is that ancient navies were HUGE – often numbering several hundred vessels. I have yet to find a set of rules that can adequately handle that size of fleets." After researching ancient naval combat, for the Roman period, I was amazed at the number of battles that involved 30 ships or less. Small battles were probably far more numerous, but rarely reported or written down by ancient historians. To play historical, you do not have to have 400 hundred ships aside unless you want to play large battles. E.H. |
| Grizwald | 28 Aug 2009 5:18 a.m. PST |
"To play historical, you do not have to have 400 hundred ships aside unless you want to play large battles. " Well, seeing as it the great battles of history that inspire me (Salamis etc.) then, yeah, I do want to play large battles. |
| Caesar | 28 Aug 2009 6:19 a.m. PST |
Other people might actually be interested in smaller battles. |
| Grizwald | 28 Aug 2009 9:05 a.m. PST |
"Other people might actually be interested in smaller battles." They might indeed. As was I at first, but then I realised that the battles I was reading about in the history books were BIG, involving lots of ships, but I was trying to recreate them with only 6 ships in each fleet. Just seemed silly. |
| ThorLongus | 29 Aug 2009 5:42 a.m. PST |
what about GMT games wargalley with counters..also scale- 1 ship may represnt a squadron.
wargalley may be a cheaper way than langston,and quicker than Roman seas building(although I love Roman Seas ships!!!,6mm-can play with figs,and the ships are pretty easy to build and look great} |
| minigamer | 29 Aug 2009 12:41 p.m. PST |
I have a set of rules called Diekplus & Anastrophe published in the '80s(I think, not at home so can't check) made for 1/3000 galleys with 5 miniatures on a stand and a typical squadron made up of three stands. Never had a chance to play them but just pulled them out again a few days ago longing to give them a try. Has anyone else ever used them? |
| Daniel | 01 Sep 2009 1:03 p.m. PST |
David Manley wrote a set called "Roman Fire & Greek Fury" based on Fire & Fury. Made for the larger battles and works wonderfully. Worth the effort to track him down and request a copy. |
| Daniel | 01 Sep 2009 4:10 p.m. PST |
Um, I got that backwards. It's Greek Fire & Roman Fury… |
| GreyONE | 01 Sep 2009 7:12 p.m. PST |
David Manley is credited with the game rules "Salamis ad Actium". Did he also write: Greek Fire & Roman Fury. I cannot find a reference anywhere online for that title. Salamis ad Actium
aandagames.co.uk/salamis.htm
E.H.
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| Daniel | 18 Sep 2009 6:52 p.m. PST |
Yes he did, Grey. Email me at dan48 at earthlink dot net and I'll send it to you. |
