"American Ships" Topic
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| archstanton73 | 25 Aug 2009 3:49 p.m. PST |
I am going to be doing the Battle of Fort Red Bank and will be including a scratch converted schooner in 25mm and I was wondering what sort of flag should it have?? |
| Connard Sage | 25 Aug 2009 4:15 p.m. PST |
An American one? link link The snake may or may not have been used |
| archstanton73 | 25 Aug 2009 4:31 p.m. PST |
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| BF Mark | 27 Aug 2009 1:09 p.m. PST |
I believe the only Continental Navy ships avaiable for a fight in the area were the brig ANDREW DORIA, the xebec CHAMPION, and the sloop SURPRIZE. The Pennsylvania State Navy played a larger role in supporting the river's defenses. John W. Jackson has written several books that cover the subject including one (title escapes me right now) that specifically covers the fight for the river that fall. BTW, the following history of ANDREW DORIA has a illustration of an early Continental Navy ensign with a Union Jack and thirteen stripes: link However, I think it more likely that you would want to use British ships to support the land forces in the battle that day. From what I remember, the Royal Navy was hotly engaged and suffered heavily due to the cheveaux du frise, shallow water, and guns of Fort Mifflin and Pennsylvania State Navy. Mark |
| BF Mark | 27 Aug 2009 1:34 p.m. PST |
BTW, if you decide to go with a British ship, Howe was Vice-Admiral of the Blue at the time, which means each Royal Navy ship would fly a blue ensign with the union jack in the canton. Mark |
| BF Mark | 27 Aug 2009 1:49 p.m. PST |
If you decide to do a Pennsylvania State Navy vessel, this reenactor website has evidence that the ensign at this time would be red and white stripes: panavy.org/flags.html Mark |
| Supercilius Maximus | 29 Aug 2009 5:13 p.m. PST |
From memory (of Richardson's book), I thought that the rattlesnake was a S Carolina naval emblem that was temporarily adopted by the Continental Navy. |
| BF Mark | 01 Sep 2009 12:53 p.m. PST |
As someone who was involved in drafting the website that Conrad Sage posted above, link I feel comfortable in saying that it represents the best research on the origins of the flag of the Continental Navy found anywhere. The Gadsden Flag, adopted by Esek Hopkins, with its rattlesnake certainly forms part of the tradition of flags flown by the Continental Navy. The evidence strongly suggests, however, that what become more common (the thirteen red and white stripes) grew out of tradition rather than anything passed by Congress or the Marine Committees. My personal opinion about the modern use of the rattlesnake in the Navy Jack is that it is representative of the symbols used during the American Revolution, even if we don't know if or how they may have been used in combination. As such, the use of the rattlesnake jack in 1976, for the oldest active ship, and all ships during the Global War on Terror has become a tradition in itself and one that can be honored and respected for what it is. Mark |
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