| ansbachdragoner | 24 Aug 2009 5:00 p.m. PST |
Hi Guys, I've just received a bunch of the excellent Eureka 28mm offerings. These figures are amazing, even the pictures over on LAF don't do them justice. I'm also pleasantly surprised by how well they fit in with my 28mm Front Rank Bavarians and Austrians.
Now comes the hard part – painting. I've got a bunch of questions, most of which i'm guessing are going to be impossible to answer, but nonetheless i thought i'd throw it open to the brains trust on TMP.
I was wondering if anyone has any information on what the usual colour schemes may have been the norm.
I've managed to locate some colour portraits of Andreas Hofer, and the rebels in the background of these images seem to be dressed in a mix of blacks, browns, dark greens and dark reds. So in lieu of any more info, this is what I'm going to go with. Lots of browns, blacks, greys and greens.
All of the male figures have a really wide belt around their waist. On the pictures i've seen of Hofer, this looks quite intricately detailed leather. Any idea of what this is, and if detailing was the norm?
Also, there is a priest included in the command pack. I'm guessing that the cloak would be the standard brown, same as in the peninsula?
Finally, there is a standard bearer included. I'm guessing anything is going to be highly conjectural. Unless i'm proven otherwise, i think i'm going to go with red and white horizontal stripes, with some kind of cross or religious theme. I was thinking of also painting some kind of slogan on the standard, maybe ‘Freedom for the Tyrol' or ‘Kaiser and Country' obviously in German. Any ideas on decent slogans would also be greatly appreciated.
For anyone interested in this era, i'd highly recommend reading John Gill's With Eagles to Glory, as well as the Eureka range. |
| Patrick R | 24 Aug 2009 5:19 p.m. PST |
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| 11th ACR | 24 Aug 2009 5:24 p.m. PST |
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| ansbachdragoner | 24 Aug 2009 8:37 p.m. PST |
Thanks for that guys. Looks like a green and white flag might be the go. I can't make out the symbol or writing though. Might have to wing it. NYPL image database had a few images too, but i hadn't seen that Tiroler Landsturm one. |
Wyatt the Odd  | 24 Aug 2009 10:00 p.m. PST |
That picture link shows the priest, presumably Father Joachim Haspinger, just to the right of the banner. Wyatt |
 timurilank  | 24 Aug 2009 11:14 p.m. PST |
The symbol may be the eagle with a wreath about its head and the slogan, possibly the same which appears on the coin. link Coins were minted during the insurrection and you will find two examples at that link. Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com |
| von Winterfeldt | 24 Aug 2009 11:28 p.m. PST |
There is a huge variation of costume, it would be different from local area to area, hats ranging from small brims and high crowns to lare brins with small crowns, hat colour even yellow and green. Those people from Meran would look different to those of Innsbruck, for example. An excellent book is : Pfaundler / Köfler : Der Tiroler Freiheitskamof 1809 unter Andreas Hofer, München 1984
Full of very good illustrations I bought mine very cheaply second hand. |
| trailape | 25 Aug 2009 2:19 a.m. PST |
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| Decebalus | 25 Aug 2009 2:55 a.m. PST |
There was also a new austrian film about Andreas Hofer (so in German). link |
| Plynkes | 25 Aug 2009 6:05 a.m. PST |
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 Bobgnar | 25 Aug 2009 8:27 a.m. PST |
The film trailer showed guys with sledge hammer and wheat flails. The pics at LAF show only pole arms. Need one more figure with hands for hammer and flail, and clubbed musket. Who are the enemies of these folks -- Bavarians or French? Great looking figures, I saw these at Historicon and was hoping to resist but what a great set for a skirmish game with Song of Drums and Shako. |
| Mad General Junot | 25 Aug 2009 9:57 a.m. PST |
The paintings of Franz Defregger are a good place to start,he painted many Tyrolean people and 1809 subjects….The film Die Freiheit Des Adlers is availble on DVD ,the one i have is in German,not sure if you can get it with subtitles,here is links to other films. tyrol-film.com and sandhill-pictures.com/mar |
| Mad General Junot | 25 Aug 2009 10:57 a.m. PST |
The priest in command pack is Joachim Haspinger aka Father Red Beard. link Also far left command pack picture is Josef Speckbacher. link One of the best Tyrolean leaders….Great figures for a long over looked part of the revolutionary and napoleonic wars….A set of casulty figures will also be available |
| von Winterfeldt | 27 Aug 2009 1:27 a.m. PST |
some immages Tiroleans in the field picture capitulation of a French garrison picture on picket duty picture a sharpshooter from Bozen picture Andreas Hofer with some of his men picture |
| 11th ACR | 27 Sep 2009 10:15 p.m. PST |
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| Musketier | 28 Sep 2009 2:22 a.m. PST |
The flag is green-white-green with the red eagle,
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Today Tirol has a red-and white flag with the same eagle on a shield, but that is a modern version. For local dress, just google-images "Tiroler Schützen", then duck from the avalanche… Traditional costume is still being worn down there, and the modern pictures should at least give you an idea of the variety across the province, as well as the uniformity within each parish company. Several sites also illustrate historical flags like the one above. |
| napoleon books | 29 Sep 2009 5:29 p.m. PST |
Dear All, I am delighted you like the figures. I worked out an agreement to provide my wargame scenario ("Train Raid", that features an attack by Hofer against a French convoy, a scenario from my "Battles for Empire: Napoleonic Wargame Scenarios") to the first buyers of their fine figures. They sent me a sample of their figures and as I wrote earlier, they are mighty fine. So enjoy this rare glimpse at an under-appreciated aspect of Napoleonic warfare and note the irony, Napoleon's Bavarians capture Hofer, the prisoner is moved to Italy, and executed in the ditch of Mantua, the fortress that resisted a young Bonaparte back in 1796-97. All best, James Arnold |
