"Decals for Royal Navy Fighter" Topic

I have just competed assembling a F-14 for a what if world where it replaces the F-4K on the British CVA-01 class carriers. I've been looking for 1/72 scale decals and would appreciate any info as to what goes were ( especially on the wings underneath.

Perhaps you should post this on a fantasy board ?

Oh wait. If it's fantasy you can use whatever chuffin' decals you like!

Well, thanks for that oh-so helpful post. Perhaps instead of being singularly unhelpful, you could simply not have posted?

viking, perhaps you could start by comparing the markings on a USN F-14, USMC Harriers and RN Harriers? Alternatively, just apply the markings normally found on the F-4K onto the same locations on the F-14.

If you're actually looking for guidance as to what the markings actually are, sorry I can't help you there.

You beat me to it on both points Andrew, Vicking I would go for the F-4K option see the link below.

wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/59/9/0/55

Roundels are applied to the top and bottom surfaces of both wings and to both sides of the fuselage. Fin flashes are, usually, applied to both sides of the tail. However I would go for a variant of 892 NAS, FAA Omega markings.

Of course you know I am going to have do a couple of these in 1/600th now.

Fatman

Oh and Luddite, the guy was just asking for help. If you don't want to help just don't post.

I-94 makes a wide variety of decals
Available thru them i-94enterprises.com
Or us wargamesmini.com

Nancy
Wargames LLC

Andrew, Fatman and Nancy Many thanks for the assistance.

This might help a little: picture

But this is an F-4K from the time: picture

But, I am pretty certain that I saw someone do exactly what you're planning – and of course, I can't find the link.

Wyatt

ah HA!

I found one!

It isn't the same one I remember, but it'll work:

Grumman F-14K Tomcat 893NAS HMS Duke of York
link

Scroll down to near the bottom.

Wyatt

Royal Navy roundels are usually 36" diameter on all surfaces whatever the size of the aircraft. There are no fin flashes.

Fatman. I truly respect the historical knowledge, energy and enthusiasm of the a Blues Bears.

It saddens me therefore that you are apparently an apologist for the fantasists (the 'other' hobby).

If viking had phrased the question as a fantasy gamer wishing to learn about historical wargaming I would have been happy to enlighten him about the markings of the Phantom FG1.This was not the case.

I am fully aware that TMP caters for both historical and fantasy gamers. I don't frequent the fantasy boards so why do fantasy gamers post on historical boards?

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the odd fantasy game myself (AK47 Republic, dinosaurs in Victorian Africa, vampires in 1920s Britain). I even have a penchant for having a bash at the 1938 British Civil War.

But when all is said and done I don't kid myself that these genres are historical.

Sadly the trend I am seeing on TMP(and other forums) is a blurring of distinction between the two hobbies. I sincerely hope that historical wargaming doesn't disappear(with the Evil Empire laughing all the way to the bank) and will do all I can to challenge this trend.

If only your user name was more appropriate …

Only an idiot would post on the fantasy or SF discussion boards asking about RN insignia. It's like asking on the Modern Aviation board about dragon plumage. OK, so the actual aircraft Viking wishes to depict is fictional, but the fact remains, this board is the best place for him to ask "if such a thing had occurred, what would it look like?"

Sadly the trend I am seeing on TMP(and other forums) is a blurring of distinction between the two hobbies. I sincerely hope that historical wargaming doesn't disappear(with the Evil Empire laughing all the way to the bank) and will do all I can to challenge this trend.

It's all "playing with toy soldiers", mate. Feel free to pretend yours represent something real, if it makes you feel better.

Yes pal, it is all playing with toy soldiers. I am not an elitist as you infer, I happily play both hobbies.

My point is that gamers who only do fantasy are unable to distinguish between history and fantasy.

Oh, and I agree with you about

Only an idiot would post on the fantasy or SF discussion boards asking about RN insignia.

Hmmmmmm. I have played quite a few "What If?" scenarios using some theoretical and historically accurate aircraft types. Most aircraft well within the time periods and possible use. Especially for the Spanish Civil War and WWII. I didn't realize that in doing such that it changed me from being an "Historical" gamer to a "Fantasy" gamer. I would never consider myself as such nor do any of my friends who also play the same types of scenarios and rules that I do.Now I can understand why viking would post his question here rather then on a "Fantasy" board. And its great to see posts from those who were able to help him out. Robert

To be fair I should point out that the Wing Commander's posts do serve a very useful purpose – every time I think I'm turning into far too much of a grouchy old arse, and that maybe I should just pack it all in, I see one of his posts and realise I'm not so bad after all…. :-p

Ditto, Dom, only it's another individual but the principle applies. And I am a churlish SOB at regular intervals lately. Just ask my long suffering supervisor…

Garcias,

Glenn

My point is that gamers who only do fantasy are unable to distinguish between history and fantasy.

Bilge. That's a condition known as "idiot", or possibly "delusional hallucination" not "fantasy gamer". It's clearly obvious from the initial post that Viking knows the RN never flew F-14s.

I'm also amused how you seem to think there's a difference between historical gaming and fantasy/SF/alt-hist gaming.

It's getting serious when people start calling each other "mate" and "pal". I'm heading for the door.

Doug

Have some beer, guys, and relax.

Oh, and I agree with you about

Only an idiot would post on the fantasy or SF discussion boards asking about RN insignia.

And yet that is exactly what you first proposed he should have done.

Now, now chaps, calm down. Wing Co is a good bloke and a historical purist. He likes to decribe my Ancients armies as 'fantasy' as well, which does have a ring of truth as I use the same lads with pointy sticks and shields as standins for Macedonians, various Greeks, Successors etc.

The reason that I asked the question in the first place was to get the aircraft looking as close to what might have been historically accurate as possible. I realize that the Fleet Air Arm never operated the F-14 but if the CVA-01 class had been built they might have eventually replaced the F-4 K with the F-14. Its npt like I was proposing to operate flying saucers. I wanted the aircraft to look as real as possible. Thus again I would like to thank those posters who offered help.

I probably take the alt.history thing a bit too far.I just
finished painting my Denian 1/3000 CVA 01s in Royal Navy
and RNethNavy colors.Now I'm researching possible colors
for F35s(1/285)for both services.I wish Ian did the Dutch
AAW DDG as his Type 45 rocks.

PS-Wyatt,Future Warplanes is a great reference.

Well, I stated my point of view and got slated for it. Fair enough. I now accept that I am in the minority.

Dom- I freely admit that I aspire to 'Owd Gimmer' status.(note to US members this is the Yorkshire equivalent of OFM)

Andrew- you are the perfect example of the point I was making. You may be amused, but you are totally confused.

Doug- spot on about my use of 'pal' (smashes beer glass on table at this point).

Lion- I've had loads of beer. Thanks, I feel better.

Viking- The RN never called their Phantoms F-4K. They were FG Mk.1s. Your F-14s would be called Tomcat FR.Mk.1 and would be painted the in the same scheme that the Sea Harriers were sent to the Falklands in(Dark Grey top, white undersides and blue/white/red roundels). Their opponents would be (insert cold war enemy here) and when the shooting war started all Tomcat FR.MK.1s would be repainted in overall neutral grey with toned-down blue/red roundels.

ps. alternate history is still fantasy!

"My point is that gamers who only do fantasy are unable to distinguish between history and fantasy."

Without a shadow of a doubt, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I really don't understand why Luddite has such a problem with someone exploring a 'what if'.

892 NAS's omega tail markings were a 'comment' on the end of RN strike carrier aviation and the impending doom of the Ark Royal, so they wouldn't really make sense on a 'renewed' RN fast jet fleet equipped with brand-new carriers and jets. I'd go for toned-down dark sea grey with black squadron markings and low-vis blue/red markings, like the Falklands Sea Harriers.

B@gger you're right, I just talked to an old FAA type. Its a pity cos they are pretty. Hmmm maybe an Alph symbol the begining of a new generation?

Fatman

Hey, I like that idea, Fatman… an Alpha symbol to represent the new generation of airpower.

You may have to consider that idea *yoinked*

Andrew- you are the perfect example of the point I was making. You may be amused, but you are totally confused.

No, I'm not. Please stop implying I don't know what's true and what's made up. What I said was, there's no difference between fantasy and historical wargaming, not no difference between fiction and history. Maybe you should lay off the beer a bit more. Wargaming is all about moving little men (blocks, counters …) around a map. Just because you're pretending to be Napoleon or Patton or Caesar instead of Gandalf or Luke Skywalker doesn't make one better or more worthwile than the other.

ps. alternate history is still fantasy!

Yes, and if the TMP boards had alt. hist boards in the Fantasy/SF categories, I'd be all for viking posting there. The fact is, though, that the WW2 "historical" category includes the alt-hist WW2 board, so a precedent has been set. Also, since the vast majority of topics are and would be extrapolating from real history, having the alt-hist boards separate from the real history boards would lead to lots of unnecessary cross-posting.

Lion in the Stars

Feel free to Yoink mate ;-P

Fatman

Andrew- I'm not an elitist.

I don't claim that historical is 'better or more worthwhile' than fantasy. Merely that it is a seperate hobby.

Yes the fans of alternate history should have their own boards (in the fantasy section). As a (mainly) historical gamer I don't post on the fantasy/alternate history boards so why do fantasy gamers post on historical boards?

You are right about the precedent being set. I am challenging it.

I don't post on the fantasy/alternate history boards so why do fantasy gamers post on historical boards?

Maybe because they're the most relevant boards for the post…? You yourself posted above that: "Only an idiot would post on the fantasy or SF discussion boards asking about RN insignia." Given that view, where exactly do you propose the topic should've been posted if not the Modern Aviation boards…?

Dom, wondering why the interweb seems to bring the worst out in the Wingco (he's actually quite a nice bloke in real life, just not here apparently….)