"Documentary on the Battle of Jena" Topic

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I uses computer game animation to take the viewer step by step through the battle of Jena.

Thank you for sharing this with us!

My post should read "IT uses…. ". The video is not my work in any way. It should looked interesting as I surfed.

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Its still fantastic the second time round too. Great thing for people to watch if they want to get into Napoleonic gaming.

yeah i watched this before. The guy must have put a lot of work into it. hats off to him .. or her …

Thanks for sharing. That was great stuff.

yes, that was good! thanks huevens!

…but does anyone know where "the unknown [Prussian] infantryman" account comes from?

Good stuff from Lord Chretzel! Some other videos he has done…

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The guy does great online movies:D

Hugh E.

Do you know who did it? [Oops, I see. Christian Strum]

It's good stuff. I'd be interested in where he got the account of "Sub-sergeant Allendorf". [Altendorf?].

He says two things that I find unique among the accounts:
1. There was a Fusilier battalion with Garwart, and
2. The impressions of the Prussian cavalry considering that they caused Ney a great deal of trouble in the center.

Bill H.

The credits give the comments made "west of Vierzehnheiligen+ as Adolf Naudorf – seems it is unpublisehd – and (though the shift away from Naudorf is not clear) "at Vierzehnheiligen" as Friedrich August von der Marwitz.

Marwitz was in Grawert's division. – R

Marwitz accounts:

One is his report on page 151 in (can not be "seen" in Europe, yet available in America):

Title – 1806: Das preussische offizierkorps und die untersuchung der kriegsereignisse
Authors – Prussia (Kingdom). Armee. Grosser Generalstab. Kriegsgeschichtliche Abteilung II., Deutschland (Deutsches Reich, Grosser Generalstab, Armee
Edition – 2
Publisher – E. S. Mittler und sohn, 1906

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Another begins roughly on page 24 of:

Title – Aus dem Nachlasse, Friedrich August Ludwig's von der Marwitz auf Friedersdorf, königlich preussischen General-Lieutenants a.D.
Author – Friedrich August Ludwig von der Marwitz
Publisher – E.S.Mittler, 1852

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If not in the US, you`ll find Marwitz

in "Das Preussiche.." at:

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and "Aus dem Nachlasse.." at:

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Bill,
Hourtoulle (Jena-Auerstaedt) has the Ericshen Fusiliers with Grawert`s division.

Michael:

I have no idea who the Ercshen Fuisilers are. Garwert didn't have a Fusilier battalion assigned his division. There were five Fusilier battalions at Jena:

Rosen, Pelet, boguslawski, Rabenau, and Ruhle. Supposedly the last two had been chewed up at Saalfeld and didn't engage at Jena, but one of the could have been adjacent to the Zastrow Regiment in Garwert's division, the regiment that sub-lieutenant Adolf Naudorf was in [Not a sub-sergeant. I don't think there was such a rank, unless corporal.]

So, unless Ericshen is a new commander of Rabenau or Ruhle Fusiliers… Naudorf's account on the video is fascinating because of this Fusilier battalion marching next to Zastrow.

Hourtoulle has the Ericshen Fusiliers with Tauentzien in the morning, and over on the right flank near Isserstadt later, no where near Garwert. I wish Hourtoulle would have provided references because, like the Ericshen example, his account varies widely in a number of places from Maude, Petre and Bressonet's accounts.

Thanks for the links. It is now time to start translating. My son speaks German, so sometimes I can prevail on him to help.

Best Regards,

Bill H.

Very good thank you.

If you do get that translation done would you send me a copy please Bill?

Ralpher:

Thanks for the links. I'll see about those pages. It's a big help when you can zero in on where to find the information.

Michael:

You bet. My son hates the gothic script, but does slog through it.

Bill

Bill,

Page 169 is of interest noted by Paret…
Oliver Schmidt kindly helped me with a few lines on that page… it is the combined use of artillery and skirmishers which is the thing which interests me.

I could not find the exact words used in the video. This is understandable considering I have no German, but certainly his remarks seemed highly personal (expressing his pride of his regiment and feelings at the time) and would maybe have been inappropriate for an official report… didn`t the commentry announce it as an excerpt from his memoirs?

Mike.

"Im Jahre 1787 in das Füsilier- Bataillon Nr. 10, von Larisch, umgeformt, führte es 1806 den Namen von Erichsen …."

"Füsilier-Bataillon Nr. 10. Oberst Carl Gustav v. Erichsen. (Oberschlesien.) "

Karl Gustav v. Erichsen b.11.i.1743 (Moscow) – d. 5.iii.1827 (Breslau), as Prussian Gen.-Lt. a. D.; prior service in the Russian army; General-Major. from 1811.

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There is a Sec.-Lt. Adolph v. Nauendorff in the Regiment Zastrow (No 39) in 1806.

Also see p 247, Geschichte des Herzoglich Nassauischen 2. Regiments, Stamm des Königlich preußischen 2. Nassauischen Infanterie-regiments Nr. 88, 1808 bis 1866 by Wilhelm Isenbart. Published by E. S. Mittler, 1891. 253 pages:

"Oberst Adolph v. Nauendorf, früher in preußischen Diensten, 1808 bis 1813 im Herzog!. 3.,von 1813 bis 1817 im 1. Regt., von 1817 bis 1830 im Generalstab, Versetzung in das 2., am 1.7.1830 als Oberst und Komdr., 27. 8. 1837 Komdr. der Jns. Brig., 18. 10. 1842 gest."

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See p 32, Staats- und Adresshandbuch des Herzogthums Nassau. Published by Schellenberg,1838:

"Obrist Freiherr Adolph von Nauendorf, Ritter des Kaiserl. Russsischen St. Wladimirordens 3ter Classe, des Kaiserl. Russsischen St. Annenordens 2te Classe und des Königl. Niederländ. Wilhelmsordens 3ter Classe.""

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Steven:

Thanks, but I wasn't say the battalion didn't exist, except on the Jena battlefield. Fusilier Battalion von Erichsen No. 10 wasn't at Jena in any references I have seen except in Hourtoulle's book.

The 24 Prussian Fusilier Battalions were organized into eight brigades of three.

The Upper Sliesian brigade was made up of No.7 Rosen, No.10 Erichsen, and No. 22 Boguslawski

The Lower Silesian brigade was made up of No. 13 Rabenau, No.14 Pelet, and No. Ruehle.

Five of the six battalions were at Jena. No sources say that all six were present. Only Hourtoulle places Erichsen there and has all six battalions present.

Four of the six Fusilier battalions of the 1st and 2nd Warsaw brigades were at Auerstadt.

Erichsen and two of the Warsaw battalions were on detached duty as far as I can tell.

Love to know where Hourtoulle got his information.

Bill

http://books.google.com/books?id=VTZLs34zAggC&pg=PA40

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Steven:

Love the links, but it makes it really difficult to use if I don't know what you are sending them to establish. I had to translate a number of pages from ALL three links before I found what I *think* you were providing…

A hint next time would help.

The last Link, the Prussian Army history of Jena does have
Erichsen there.

Thanks.

Bill

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Steven:

О той последней связи – моем пункте точно.

Bill

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