 BAMeyer  | 08 Jul 2009 7:17 p.m. PST |
Been reading about british floatplane flotillas supporting both British and White Russians with both scouting and bombing. This took place in both Western Siberia and the Southern fronts. Anyone have a handle on what model of plane was used. Its not specified in either of the two books I've read. thanks |
| Kaoschallenged | 08 Jul 2009 8:07 p.m. PST |
Im not sure but IIRC they were the Short Type 184 floatplane. Robert My 1/600 scale Yahoo Wargaming Group
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Wyatt the Odd  | 08 Jul 2009 8:44 p.m. PST |
The Wiki suggests that they were Sopwith Baby floatplanes link Wyatt |
| BahnBaron | 08 Jul 2009 8:54 p.m. PST |
Yes, as Kaoschallenged said, but also Fairey Campanias. HMS Nairana carried them and Sopwith Baby's. In "THE DAY THEY ALMOST BOMBED MOSCOW"/Dobson & Miller, they mention the Shorts, Fairey Campania's, Fairey IIIC's; and also the Sopwith Camel's, DH9's and RE8's were used in bombing attacks as well.
You can Wiki HMS Nairana…
" In 1917 Nairana carried four Short 184 seaplanes and four Beardmore SB3D fighters, and a year later she was equipped with two Sopwith Baby and five Fairey Campania seaplanes."
Rgds,
BB |
| RJT2003 | 08 Jul 2009 11:55 p.m. PST |
There are some photos of seaplanes in North Russia on my old website:
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| jony663 | 09 Jul 2009 4:06 a.m. PST |
Does anyone know if these are made for 28mm scale gaming? |
Dave Jackson  | 09 Jul 2009 8:28 a.m. PST |
Might have some info here: See R66: Aircraft of the Russian Civil War link |
| Plynkes | 09 Jul 2009 9:38 a.m. PST |
Jony663, Eduard make (or made, not sure about current availability) a Sopwith Baby kit in 1/48th scale. 1/48th isn't a bad match for 28mm wargame figures. Here's my Special Hobby 1/48th Sopwith Schneider next to a 28mm chap: picture If you can't find a Baby, the Schneider isn't a million miles away from it in appearance, if one isn't too much of a fusspot. The Schneider kit is quite easy to find. |
| BAMeyer | 09 Jul 2009 4:24 p.m. PST |
Thank you gentlemen, case closed. |
| quidveritas | 09 Jul 2009 5:18 p.m. PST |
I'm not so sure British Pilots flew float planes. DH-4's? DH-9's? for sure and single seaters for sure (cannot remember what they were -- Probably Camels or SE5a's. The Russians had a bunch of float planes which may have been of Brit manufacture. These were active during the entire war in the Black Sea – flown by Russian pilots. Sorry but I'm giving you this off the cuff. I don't have the source material at my finger tips. mjc |
| Kaoschallenged | 09 Jul 2009 6:01 p.m. PST |
I know the subject is closed but there was another seaplane carrier used too LOL. HMS Pegasus along with the HMS Nairana in 1919 were sent to Murmansk in Northern Russia to fight against the Bolsheviks . She also carried the Short 184 seaplane. Robert My 1/600 scale Yahoo Wargaming Group
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| jony663 | 10 Jul 2009 4:06 a.m. PST |
Thank you, I ll take a look. Jon |
| Kaoschallenged | 10 Jul 2009 11:07 a.m. PST |
YW :). Always glad to help. Robert My 1/600 scale Yahoo Wargaming Group
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| Aloysius the Gaul | 12 Jul 2009 6:33 p.m. PST |
link – lists 5 British seaplane carriers/tenders as having served with the various expeditionary forces in Russia – including 2 Caspian sea steamers converted by the RN – Nairana, Pegasus, Alader Yousannoff, Orilonoch, Ark Royal Beardmore SB3D – presumably WB III's? I can't find any reference to an SB3 by Beardmore, but the WB3 is noted as being a development of the Pup that Beardmore were building, andthe same source (wiki – link says 100 of them were deployed aboard seaplane tenders….although one presumes not all at once! |
| Kaoschallenged | 12 Jul 2009 6:45 p.m. PST |
The W.B.Ill single-seat shipboard fighter was an extensively modified variant of the Sopwith Pup with manually-folding mainplanes and folding main undercarriage members. The prototype (a modified Pup) was officially accepted on 7 February 1917, and 100 production W.B.Ills were ordered under the official designation S.B.3. Armament comprised a single 7.7mm Lewis gun which fired upwards through a cut-out in the upper wing centre section, and the W.B.Ill could be fitted with either the seven-cylinder Clerget or ninecylinder Le Rhone 9C rotary, both of 80hp. The first 13 production W.B.Ills had folding undercarriages similar to the prototype and were known as S.B.3Fs, but subsequent W.B.Ills had jettisonable undercarriages (S.B.3D) and flotation equipment. The S.B.3D version saw some service aboard British carriers, one was used in an unsuccessful attempt to fly from the forecastle of the battle cruiser HMS Renown and several were supplied to Japan.
link Mentioned on this Russian site
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