"Questions on Russian and Prussian Grenadiers" Topic

Hi all

Just gathering some info and thoughts on Russian and Prussian Grenadiers and just wanting to confirm what I have found in my research.

Russian Grenadiers 1812
- 4th company in all Russian Infantry Battalions in addition to a few Grenadier Regiments of 2 battalions each.
- are both these types of Russian Grenadiers dressed similarly?

Prussian Grenadiers 1815
- Battalions grouped into a Grenadier Brigade attached to the VII Corps with the rest of the guard units.
- Dressed in line infantry uniform with large Busch plume.
- Could 6mm French Line Grenadiers pass as Prussian Grenadiers?

David
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What you refer to as the Prussian VII corps was in fact called "Garde- und Grenadier-Corps", without any number.

In October 1814, the remaining little organisational links of the Prussian grenadier to their parent regiments had been finaly cut, and the six battalions formed into two independent regiments, named "Kaiser Alexander Grenadier-Regiment" and "Kaiser Franz Grenadier-Regiment".

Their new uniforms:

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David,

Russian Grenadiers 1812
- 4th company in all Russian Infantry Battalions in addition to a few Grenadier Regiments of 2 battalions each.

In addition, there were converged grenadier battalions made up of the grenadier companies from the 2nd (Depot) battalion of each musketeer and grenadier regiment. The "elite" company of the 2nd battalions of the jager regiments were also converged. All served with the V (Reserve) Corps, IIRC.

Only the 1st and 3rd battalions of the grenadier, musketeer, and jager regiments served in the field armies.

Oliver's info on the Prussian grenadiers is spot on, with some good links.

Jim (who has Prussian and Russian 1813 forces)

I dont know but would guess they wore shako covers like they did in 1813 though?

Russian Grenadiers 1812
- 4th company in all Russian Infantry Battalions in addition to a few Grenadier Regiments of 2 battalions each.

Actually the Grenadier company was senior, though they were numbered in their own sequence in the regiment (1st – 3rd). And the Grenadier Regiments were three battalions, just like the others.

And yes, dress was similar, though the 12 Grenadier Regiments all had little distinctions which would be unlikely to be apparent on wargaming scale figures. The exception was the Pavolovs' retention of the miter.

The good news is that the Grenadier Regiments were all grouped in two Grenadier Divisions, so unless you're painting a specific Corps that contains them or a very large army, you can ignore them.

Thanks guys. My sources say russian regiments in 1812 all had 2 battalions in the field so a division would be 3 brigades of 2 regiments of 2 battalions each totalling 12 battalions for the division. Is this wrong?

=> Col, I did read about what you stated there. It will be a long while before get to those formations.

=> Blucher, so French Line Grenadiers in 6mm could pass as Prussian Grenadiers?

So I can safely model a Russian battalion with 3 companies of Line Infantry and 1 company of Grenadiers?

The reason I am confused is that the OOBs state Grenadier battalions and regiments as repeated above but then a pic of a simple line battalion has the 4th company as Grenadiers.

David
wardepot.blogspot.com
6to20painting.blogspot.com

David,
If you look at the pictures Oliver posted. For 6mm figures,
Russian Grenadiers would be more suitable than French.(to pass for Prussian 1815)
Regards,