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Cerdic03 Jul 2009 4:44 a.m. PST

What small battle of the Napoleonic wars would you suggest as an interesting one to wargame?

Size wise, I am thinking somewhere between 15 and 25 thousand per side. Can be any campaign or army, though if it involves Austrians so much the better!

Feel free to unleash any bees in your bonnets, obsessions, prejudices etc……

Grizwald03 Jul 2009 4:45 a.m. PST

Lots of small battles in the Peninsular War. No Austrians though …

Keraunos03 Jul 2009 4:49 a.m. PST

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Raszyn 1809


The Battle of Raszyn was fought in April 1809 between Austrian and Polish troops as a part of the War of the Fifth Coalition in the Napoleonic Wars.
The war in Poland had opened favourably for Austrian generals. Approx. 35.000 Austrian troops invaded Polish territory defended by only 15.000 men. (Of the 37,000 strong army raised in the Duchy by Poniatowski, Napoleon took 22,000 out of the country and send to Spain and elsewhere).

Angel Barracks03 Jul 2009 4:51 a.m. PST

What about a smaller part of a big battle?

For example I am doing/getting ready for the Battle of Hougoumont in 1:1 with 6mm.


After that the great redoubt at Borodino in 1:1 with 6mm.


Why not do the critical/interesting part of a bigger battle, I have yet to see anyone do this with Naps but it seems such a good idea.


Michael.
angelbarracks.co.uk

Cerdic03 Jul 2009 5:04 a.m. PST

Wow, that was quick!

Thanks Keraunos – I have looked at Raszyn and it seems a good one. Varied Austrians with Grenzers and Cuirassiers v Poles and Saxons.

Angel – sorry, that is too easy. Everyone knows about the big battles….

Cerdic03 Jul 2009 5:05 a.m. PST

By the way – like the 1:1 in 6mm!

Gnu200003 Jul 2009 5:35 a.m. PST

Sacile, Piave or anything else from the 1809 campaign in N.Italy

magister equitum03 Jul 2009 5:50 a.m. PST

Many battles of the 1796-1800 in Italy fit that size: Montebello, Lodi, Castiglione, Trebbia, etc…

Keraunos03 Jul 2009 6:03 a.m. PST

actually, I take back my idea.

Go Italy in the Revolutionary / pre Empire period.

better terrain, more open battles, and much less concentrated guns to decide everything.

mind you, no cuirassiers either.

jonspaintingservice03 Jul 2009 6:17 a.m. PST

you could look in to the Italian campaign of 1809. Both French and Austrians had small – medium sized armies with the Austrians winning the first half and the French eventualy winning over all. There were many small battles you could easily recreate as an introduction to the period.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2009 7:07 a.m. PST

The Austrian-Russian attack on Telnitz that opened the battle of Austerlitz would make for a great scenario, one that I hope to do eventually.

Florida Tory03 Jul 2009 7:10 a.m. PST

Teugn-Hausen (Austrians vs. French) fits your specs very well:

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There is a good map, and write-up, in the Osprey book "Eggmuhl 1809: Storm Over Bavaria" by Ian Castle. According to Castle there were about 17,00 troops engaged per each force (less than the Wikipedia article suggest).

I have done it successfully on my 5x9 table with each unit represented on the table-top with 25mm castings (1:20 roster scale).

Rick

wrgmr103 Jul 2009 8:02 a.m. PST

Michael Hoppers "1805 Rise of the Eagles" has a lot of smallish scenarios.

The book includes, Elgichen, Caldiero, Wertingen, Gunzburg, Albeck, Amstetten, Mariazell Durrenstein, Raussnitz, Austerlitz, Stecken, almost all are Austrian. They are designed for Shako battles but can be used for any ruleset.

M C MonkeyDew03 Jul 2009 9:12 a.m. PST

Maida! 203rd Anniversary on July 4.

Higlanders, Corsicans, Poles! Swiss on both sides.

And only about 10,000 men on both sides combined!

cirederftrebua03 Jul 2009 1:33 p.m. PST

2nd Caldiero !!

Massena vs austrians.
Very interesting battle with bridges, ridges, etc…

Tell me if you want some details.
Fred

nsolomon9903 Jul 2009 5:11 p.m. PST

1809 is a good campaign for what you are asking. All 3 arms, horse, foot and guns were in reasonable balance in both armies during this period and both armies were more closely balanced in fighting potential than at oether times.

Cerdic06 Jul 2009 8:18 a.m. PST

Some good suggestions there.

Many thanks guys!

If anyone has any more feel free to add them….

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