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Cilidar01 Jul 2009 3:52 p.m. PST

So, I've finally taken my hobby of game designing and have started to to put together a small independent game company. I am new to small businesses and am looking for advice in how to start, what I should bother to license, mistakes that I need to avoid, etc.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

The early site for the company is here: lonewarriorgames.blogspot.com

Thanks!

streetline01 Jul 2009 4:21 p.m. PST

Find some other people in the industry you trust. Don't spend large sums of money without asking yourself if they would do the same.

Personal logo mmitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 4:34 p.m. PST

Howdy. I glanced at your blog and -- as someone who has successfully done this -- and I have some advice for you. First of all, I'm not going to dwell on your experience or resources and your motivations for doing this (whether you hope to make money, or this is just a way to fulfill a lifelong dream of having your name on a game you've published). I'm sure others will touch on those issues, and hopefully you've already soul searched about it before going this far.

1) RIGHT THIS VERY DANGED SECOND you need to go to godaddy.com and buy the URL lonewarriorgames.com. It will cost you $10. USD It is available right now, and if you don't get it you will regret it for the rest of your life. You NEED this URL if you plan to do this, even if it's only at a hobby level. Once you've got it, you can use it to point directly to your blogspot.com address. Even if you don't use it immediately, you MUST go grab it before some squatter grabs it.

2) Find out if you NEED a license to start a business. In Texas, for example, game companies (and stores, for that matter) do not require a license. In Texas, we just needed to file a DBA (Doing Business As) and a Sales Tax Permit. That's it. The DBA cost us either $15 USD or $20, the tax permit didn't cost us anything (at least not that I recall). You will need the DBA to get a commercial bank account (and there are lots of free commercial checking accounts available). By the way, you can wait on this. You really don't need these until you get closer to actually selling stuff.

3) Get a logo and add some graphics to your Website. If you can't make one, ask around. Someone you know does graphics (heck, there are nice people here who would help you by whipping up something that you could use as a temporary logo). I'm not saying this to be mean, but currently your Website is very boring and I don't think it will help you generate interest in your game. Graphics and a logo would go a long way to jazzing things up.

4) Speaking of your blog… You should click on the "Customize" link and go to "Layout." Beneath the title of your blog, you should add some marketing text like this:

"Humanity has expanded to the stars, and now Corporations compete to control the resources available in the vast reaches beyond earth. Every day they send armies of MERCS to do their bidding. Sometimes the battles are huge, covering entire worlds… and sometimes they're small covert operations. But the missions are always deadly and only the best will survive: Gear up, soldier -- we're waiting for YOU! MERC is an exciting game universe setting for an RPG, miniatures wargames that will be coming soon to a game store near you."

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. That's a bit long, but some cool flavor text will really help people know what your blog site is about without having to scroll down very far. In the paragraph I just wrote, notice how it paints a picture of the setting (future warfare), includes the scale of the games (huge and small), and engages the reader by directly challenging him to "Gear up." Finally, it clearly mentions that this is a game under development, and clearly describes the type of games you will be creating. This sort of text goes a long way to define the site in the minds of your visitors.

Check out my Hawgleg Publishing blog for an example of what we did: hawgleg.blogspot.com Keep in mind, this blog is NOT our main Website. It's just a little something we started last week to post some mini-info about stuff we're currently working on. Since this isn't our main site, we didn't use the type of text that I am suggesting you use.

4) Become a paid member of TMP. This will give you access to the lounge, and if you pay to advertise, you will also get access to the Sponsor's forum. This is a great place to discuss things privately with other game publishers. Even if you don't become a sponsor right now, having access to the Lounge is also useful, and it gives you the ability to share Private Messages here at TMP. A lot of the game designers, stores, and pros here will freely give you info in private that they won't give you in public.

FINALLY, don't get discouraged. You have a LOT of stuff to do in the next weeks or years. At Hawgleg, we were in pre-production from 1999 – 2004 and finally published Gutshot in 2005. Yup. About five years before we got our game out there. I know many people are a LOT faster than us, but I also know of others who are slower. So, buck up and best of luck on the long job ahead of you.

Mike Mitchell
Hawgleg Publishing
hawgleg.com

PS: I was NOT kidding about that URL. If you don't buy it immediately, you will regret it. There are bots out there that scan sites like this looking for URLs mentioned in the text of the posts, and then they send the info to someone who will go buy it and then try to sell it to you for hundreds of dollars. Don't let that happen. Buy the URL now.

Cilidar01 Jul 2009 4:56 p.m. PST

I am still working on the basic website, I actually have a friend skilled with a pen and and one skilled in Javascript so I am hoping to have it spruced up greatly and soon!

Though, thank you GREATLY for bringing me to the attention of getting a web address. I do believe you've saved me a great deal of trouble with that!

I do have my heart set on this and I'm not one to give up on a lifelong dream :D
Thanks!

aecurtis Fezian01 Jul 2009 5:18 p.m. PST

"Lone Warrior" is the journal of the long-established Solo Wargamers Association:

TMP link

Are you prepared to be confused with them?

napthyme01 Jul 2009 5:26 p.m. PST

Your welcome to come and join my small businessmen's site. I grabbed the AoA miniatures line last fall and I'm still trying to get everything straightened out, so feel free to join the forum and I'll be happy to answer any questions you have…

link

Cilidar01 Jul 2009 5:46 p.m. PST

@aucurtis
Hmmmm… I did a Google Search and didn't see anything else wargaming related the used the title Lone Warrior.

I don't think it shouldn't be too confusing? How big is the group?

@napthyme
Thank you, I'll be sure to check it out :)

Caius Virilius Orca01 Jul 2009 6:21 p.m. PST

It's late and I'm lazy but you might want to consider submitting your company trademark and logo to the US PTO. Especially if you're going to conduct interstate commerce.

I searched the USPTO Trademarks for "Lone Warrior" and, hard to believe so I must be doing something wrong, there are only two trademarks and they're both abandoned.

link

Boone Doggle01 Jul 2009 6:29 p.m. PST

Mike,

Thanks. You've encouraged me to grab an URL name I've been using under Google.sites.

After browsing around I'm confused as to how to point the URL to my Google Sites page. Can I simply key in my Google Sites address somewhere? Or do I need a DNS number for my Google Sites Page which I have no clue how to get?

Personal logo mmitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 10:26 p.m. PST

BooneC: Since you've just now registered this domain for the first time, you should NOT have to bother with a DNS. You just need to turn on forwarding.

If you are using GoDaddy, you will:

1) Go to "My Account"
2) Select "My Domains"
3) You will probably need to "unlock" you domain so you can make changes to it. This process often takes 5-10 minutes while their server updates itself.

Wait while it does this. Now on to the good stuff.

4) Select the Domain Name.
5) Select "Forwarding"
6) The system will pop up a new window. In that window you will:
- Click the check box to "Enable Forwarding"
- Enter your google url (cut-n-paste it from your browser address bar)
- Select the "301 Moved Permanently" option

In your case, I would probably ignore the Masking options. Unless you're familiar with them, they can be a pain (plus, you can always change them later).

That's all there is to it!

Best of luck with it, and drop me a line via PM if I can be of further assistance.

Personal logo mmitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 10:33 p.m. PST

No offense to CVO, but I really wouldn't waste $450 USD – $1,000 on registering a Trademark at this time. Please keep in mind, that I am NOT an expert, but I have received formal training in the topic, so please take my advice with a grain of salt.

Under US law, all that is required to trademark something is for you to put the TM next to it. Registering it with the government is a formality that is designed to grant you legal protections in the event of a legal dispute over the name. Specifically, registering it allows you to recoup financial losses and damages.

Also, you cannot trademark common names. MERC is a common phrase and you have no hope of getting a trademark on it. However, once you have a MERC logo, you will be able to trademark that specific logo.

Honestly, there's just too much to go into about trademarks and copyrights. Right now you should really spend your time and money on developing a product and getting it out there. Those should be your first priorities.

Alxbates02 Jul 2009 10:12 a.m. PST

Good luck!

Networking and asking questions on sites like TMP is a good way to get general information and advice, but you may also want to stop by your local Small Business Administration office to get some info on your local rules and regulations.

The SBA I went to here was next to useless, but I know some people have had good experiences with theirs…

Also, you should get an accountant and ask for their advice.

So good luck to you!

-Alex in Alaska
-Forge of Ice

Rudysnelson03 Jul 2009 8:13 a.m. PST

I agree with Allen. When I first say your name I thought of the old RPG magazine of the same name.

Personal logo BigRedBat Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Jul 2009 12:04 p.m. PST

I used to subscribe to Lone Warrior, as well! I think I still have edition 1, somewhere.

Boone Doggle04 Jul 2009 2:07 a.m. PST

Thanks Mike. Everything works now.
Now I own a domain I feel just a little more part of the 21st century:-)

Cilidar04 Jul 2009 10:31 a.m. PST

Is the Lone Warrior Magazine defunct now? Or is it still active?

Cilidar04 Jul 2009 11:09 a.m. PST

Also, I came across a line of miniatures called MERCS so I might change the name of that one line.

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