"What should the Statute of Limitations be for DH offenses?" Topic

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Bill says that it's 30 days for anything on the Forums.
But, what's the point of punishing someone for something that has fallen off the bottom of the front page?

I suggest that if no one notices and complains, AND if Bill has not jailed the miscreant immediately, then it can't be all that offensive.
In other words, sweat bullets until the topic falls off the front page. That's 3 days on my settings. YMMV

Bill's House Bill's rules. I had to hear it til I wanted to puke so now I guess everyone else gets to reap what they have sown.

That assumes that the offence took place while the item was near the top of the front page

Many heated debates continue after they have dropped off the front page.

And the length of time an item is on the font page can vary
At least 30 days is consistant!

A week seems good enough to me. I would assume if it was really offensive it would have been complained about immediately.

If it's off the front page, who cares?
It's not out in the streets scaring the horses anymore.
If you have to take extrordinary steps to find it, you have no business feigning outrage.

15 days. That's two weeks and one extra day for doing something about it. If it hasn't been complained about or acted on in that time, then no one's going to give a damn afterward, except in the "he's looking at me still!" way of children in the back of the station wagon, once Dad has finally blown his stack and handed out the random swats and yelling.

To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.

This sounds about right.

OK, let's be reasonable. Just back to the reign of Seti I.

random swats and yelling

That is my preferred parenting technique.

And I think either twice the max time should be equivalent to 1 score days minus a fortnight, or one half a fortnight plus a week and a day. I like whichever one gets fewer votes.

And I think whenever the complain button is pushed I hear a sound file of Kirk yelling, "KHANNNNNN!"

There ain't no statute of limitations for important offenses like murderin' and such. I think a month is just Molly coddlin' 'hem. I say a day shy of forever would be one day too short.

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
- C.S. Lewis, In Freedom

LLC aka Ron

"If it's off the front page, who cares?"

Remove the first six word from that sentence and I'll agree with you 100%

Bill says that it's 30 days for anything on the Forums.

I think we voted on this about a year ago, and the "30 days" limit won.

But I can do whatever the community desires.

30 days for the populace, and 180 days for the OFM for making a big deal out of it!

But I can do whatever the community desires.

How about an up/down vote on the DH and stifles?

I'd like to add that as an amendment to JtOFM's OP.

As an observation, I don't think either DH or stifle system benefits a TMP "community" in a positive manner. It's just score keeping and leads to tattle tailing or tit-for-tat. Scarlet Letters aren't necessary. If someone complains and as the sole moderator you feel someone went out of line, then edit <snip> or delete a post with editorial comment and send them an offline message on repeat offenses. OR tell the complainer they're being overly sensitive and to go get some painting done.

I agree with Cpt Arexu. Bright lad. He'll go far.

Why the fuss John the OFM?

What is your interest in this topic that you seem to be kicking up such a fuss over it?

Hell, if we are having a statute of limitations why don't you drag the 5th amendment in here too?!

The point, and I suspect John feels the same, is that Supergrover (BME Trying to stir up after getting banned yet again and the ladz at Frothers not rising to it either) spent two weeks ranting randomly at people trying to start trouble. He starts taking his meds again and disappears – look how long since he was last here – and he THEN gets banned.

It makes the Law look an Ass. The only significant effect is people who missed the thread will follow the link to have a gawp.

I think a statute of Limitations is missing the point – a Bit of Common sense is what is needed.

Pat

Can't you adjust how many topics you show on the front page? Whos front page would then be used to define when 'off the front page' occurs? The guy with Message Board Topics set to 10, or the guy with it set to 200?

A set time would seem better. If 30 days is that time, hooah.

Jake

Leave it as it is – it doesn't cause me any problems at 30 days. Plus it's Bill place so whatever he thinks is fair is fair, plus we've had a chance to vote. And the final clincher :

Why must you always be tinkering ?

It makes the Law look an Ass. The only significant effect is people who missed the thread will follow the link to have a gawp.

What is wrong with others having a gawp? I guess after reading most of Supergrover's posts any viewer would agree with Bill.

I don't know Frothers but has not Bill got some interest in that forum too?

It seems that most folks want instant justice but I think that Bill's has only been tolerant – is that so bad?

Any ban should be in place until the next time someone brings up DH'ing in yet another poll, because that certainly happens regularly enough for us to set our watches by.

Doesn't matter to me. When someone gets DH'd, I'm generally unaware of it since I rarely check the Dawghouse.

John, question, what is it about the present policy that brothers you so much?

I don't know Frothers but has not Bill got some interest in that forum too?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAha

No

John, question, what is it about the present policy that brothers you so much?

Last year, during the Madness.
When compleaints over 9 months old were dragged out and punished.

TMO sins and crimes ought to be punished immediately or not at all.
If it waits 30 days, it looks like the Current Administration is catering to whiny snivelling crybabies who have been nursing a grudge.

Let me turn the question around. Why wait 30 days? I am all in favor of heavy handed punishment, but not if it makes the sentence look silly. Waiting 30 days is silly.

Instead of D'hawse I wanted public flogging. To many other members had weak stomaches I guess.

Supergrover was BME? Really? I never realized that!.

John, then there is the other side to the issue. If I wanted to be mean to someone, based on your policy, I would just wait until the topic is off the front page and then start using foul language and mean spiritedness. At which point, if your policy is adopted, then really nothing should be done, as the topic is off the front page.

Second, we do we require that Bill be monitering ever post 24/7 looking for offenders? Is that all Bill has to do with the web page? There are news stories to post, manufacturer information to update, maintance issues with the web pages, email to answer, and what about personal time? Too often, in this information age, we believe that everything should be answered and dealt with in just a few miniutes.

Like most members, I rarely look to see who's been dawghoused. But whenever I do look, I generally agree that they deserved what they got. So I don't care to change the Statute of Limitations. If you can't behave, tough luck.

I'm sick of being overly tolerant of problem children.

"Second, we do we require that Bill be monitering ever post 24/7 looking for offenders?"

Nope, he has a loyal following of snitches and grasses who are more than willing to help incarcerate someone for the smallest alleged offence. I say we keep the current status and run the risk of the namby-pamby mob telling tales about us.

OFM, like training dogs, punishment must occur swiftly so that the crime and punishment are linked.

"If it's off the front page, who cares?"

But this is flawed. For one, there are two types of users; Front page users and Board users(those guys who navigate up down individual boards). Front page users will be rid of the vile topic in 3 days but Board users see topics based on latest activity. And if you get a bricole argument in the nappy boards then your forced to see poor choices for months.

Secondly, your timing is based on an event not directly related to the crime. The visibility of the thread is based on when the thread was created (or the last activity for the boardies). You could write up all sorts of egregious vile child porn garbage on a thread that is or very soon will be 'protected'. That ain't right. The timing must be based on the crime itself.

One day, one week, one month doesn't matter much to me. It probably has more to do with how thouroughly Bill can police the boards.

My one DH-ing occured within minutes of the offending post, in todays TMP I wouldn't have had time to go back and edit it in fact. When you punish, you should punish as quickly as possible. Rubbing a dogs nose in crap that he left for you two weeks ago really doesn't do anything. It shows you are a lazy housekeeper and really es off the dog.

IMO on TMP if you can't punish within 72hrs of the offense, it really doesn't matter any more. It's simply arbitrary at that point.

I've said my piece I'm done with this now.

D~

Here you go John:

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It's never occurred to me to hit the complaint button about ANYTHING I've ever seen on this site… and it leaves me a bit curious about the motivations of the people who do.
It does seem that if you are going to have a system of complaint/Dawghouse then you need to be on top of it and not have it be arbitrary/random… which is what it seems to be at the moment. Stuff only gets noticed if some whining tea-cozy decides to get snitchy… so we end up, not in Bill's House/Bill Rules, but in the snitch's house… snitch's rules. The squeaky piston get's the 'happy ending'.
I'm thinking a day or two is sufficient time for people who read the site to notice if something needs policing… and I'm thinking that there should be more than just one solitary complaint before action is considered.

If by snitch you mean that a comment was offensive enough to inspire complaints what is wrong with that?

I call it public spirited!

If instant justice is expected the how else does Bill get to know?

In many countries a web-master is legally held responsible for the sites content.

The one thing that this type of thread throws up is the folks who are trying desperately to be offended by something just so that they can complain.

Real life must be full of frustration for the poor dears

The one thing that this type of thread throws up is the folks who are trying desperately to be offended by something just so that they can complain.

Sadly offense is typically only ever in the eye of the beholder.

D~

Not only should there be no limitations, Bill should re-DH anyone he forgets having doghoused the first time someone complains about the post.

I wonder if there is any relationship between one's opinions on DH'ing and whether one has been DH'd.

Thomas Whitten 19 Jun 2009 8:47 a.m. PST
Here you go John:

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Ah, I stand corrected. but, note how the poll's LOWEST time limit was 30 days.

Oh, well.

I wonder if there is any relationship between one's opinions on DH'ing and whether one has been DH'd.

Well, I have been DHed thrice, but not for a while.

the Editor

---But I can do whatever the community desires.---

Can we have a vote on getting some pole dancers in here please Bill?

Cheers,

Glynn

"But I can do whatever the community desires"

That's a big 180 degree turn around – shame it's come almost a year too late for people connected to the Doug Larsen fiasco.

John;

John, why even talk about a statue of limitations for DH? When it comes to stiffles, you argue that they should never be removed, even the person who placed the stiffle has left TMP altogether. Your arguement on stiffles is that they desired what they got. Shoud it not be the same for DH?

Why? They are two different things.
Stifles are a snub. Like Flashman cutting you dead in the street. They affect nobody, except those delicate flowers who cannot stand to be ignored.
A DH is an actual official punishment, sort of. It is official, but oddly does not go on your Permanent Record. It's like being sentenced to community service.