raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 12:32 p.m. PST |
Hi I bought these Naismith Miniatures in the 1980's and think they might be Aztecs or Mayans? If anyone knows please that would be appreciated along with any links to Naismith Miniatures. Cheers link |
aecurtis | 08 Mar 2009 12:40 p.m. PST |
Huh. Those don't look like any of the Naismith Aztecs or Mayans that I have. Navwar (see the Manufacturers Directory) is the source, but the Aztects and Mayans are no longer listed among thier Naismith ranges. Allen |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 1:25 p.m. PST |
I think they are from the Renaissance Range but not 100% on that. If not Aztecs or Mayans that leaves three options: Condottieri Conquistador Inca So possibly Inca's? |
aecurtis | 08 Mar 2009 1:39 p.m. PST |
Could be, except that figure #1 appears to be carrying a maquahuitl. Tlaxcalans, maybe? You wouldn't happen to have a pack code number, would you? If you did, here's a listing from Regal: link Allen |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 1:45 p.m. PST |
Both figures have what look likes the code F9 stamped to the bottom of the base along with Naismith. The figures are 25 mm and were bought at a model show in Glasgow. I read that some of the castings took place in Glasgow and wondering if these actually went into full production? |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 1:51 p.m. PST |
Looked up a little bit about maquahuitl's and came across a site which depicts the Aztecs with such a weapon. link |
aecurtis | 08 Mar 2009 2:31 p.m. PST |
OK, that explains the first false assumtion on my part; I was thinking 15mm!!! And yes, the maquahuitl would rule out Incas; most likely Aztec or their enemies and allies. Navwar stopped production of the 25mm Naismith Design figures even farther back; I can't find a listing for them. Sorry. Allen |
DalyDR | 08 Mar 2009 2:31 p.m. PST |
Could this be a fantasy figure? He's got some awfully big fangs, a rather gruesome visage, and that armor does not look even remotely Mesoamerican to me, but I'm no expert. The sword certainly looks like an Aztec/Mayan/etc. weapon, but it also looks like a separate piece, easily added to any open-handed figure. Dave |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 2:54 p.m. PST |
The weapons are all original and came with the figures when I purchased them. The armour is as you say gruesome. It is a skull of some sort of animal, maybe something like a crocodile or alligator? I know they are long OOP but thanks for the input so far. I am swaying toward Aztec at the moment but if anyone knows any better please add to the discussion. |
DalyDR | 08 Mar 2009 3:04 p.m. PST |
What does the front of the shield on the sword-armed figure look like? Dave |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 3:36 p.m. PST |
Hi Dave Added two more images which show shield. Hopefully that will help? Cheers link |
OttoMunoz | 08 Mar 2009 3:53 p.m. PST |
I agree with DalyDR. They dont look very Mesoamerican except for the obsidian swords. which were glued on. so I think someone decided to glue obsidian swords onto orc like figs and sold them to raf1870. Otto noizehive.blogspot.com |
aecurtis | 08 Mar 2009 4:05 p.m. PST |
OK: Naismith did a small range of 25mm fantasy, and that would explain the "F" code. But I don't have a listing for those, either. Allen |
raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 4:18 p.m. PST |
I glued the weapons on only recently as they have were lying about in their packets for years and definately came with the figures. They are not Orc like figures as the features are a little bit too human although the figures do have open mouths with large teeth so maybe from another race? The flesh of the figure once painted would give off a rough appearance as the casting has been given a dimpled effect so more Fantasy now than Aztec. Maybe as Dave says they might be from the Fantasy Range but I wonder which ones? Getting intriguing now :-). |
DalyDR | 08 Mar 2009 5:39 p.m. PST |
raf1870: The new link asks me to log in
:-( Can't see the shield! EDIT: Er
now it works. Dave
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DalyDR | 08 Mar 2009 5:46 p.m. PST |
Does not look like an Aztec shield to me. And, I think that figure has large, almost bat-like ears that appear to be separate from the helmet. At this point I'd bet money (not much though) that this is a fantasy figure. As Allen said, Naismith had a 25mm fantasy line, but Naismith sculpted for other companies, so it could be from some other manufacturer. A check on the Stuff of Legends site came up blank for me though. A real poser! Dave
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raf1870 | 08 Mar 2009 6:24 p.m. PST |
Cheers Dave I found an email for Bob Naismith and sent him a message. Maybe he can help if he reads it otherwise it looks like it will be a mystery. |
nycjadie | 09 Mar 2009 7:07 a.m. PST |
I have some old Naismith fantasy pieces that I acquired. Even in their badly painted condition, they aren't as crisp and detailed as this casting, but you never know. |
Rudysnelson | 09 Mar 2009 8:03 a.m. PST |
I used to carry Naismith 15mm back in the 1980s. The bases were had hard charp corners. Easy to identify. Like Allen I too assumed that they were 15mm. In regards to the picture, I would support the Fantasy position. The men have overgrown tusks which at first I thought was part of the mask but the smaller set of tusks belong to the face. Body portions are not reflective of humans. Not Mayan or Aztec or any other historical group. The 'sword' does look Meso-American but the spear lacks the jagged edges. Shield is NOT meso-systel. It is European in style and even may represent metal. |
Bobgnar | 09 Mar 2009 1:13 p.m. PST |
Rudy has it, must be fantasy types with animal head dress. What animal? |
raf1870 | 09 Mar 2009 2:43 p.m. PST |
Quick update. Bob Naismith got back to my query. However, even he couldn't remember, although he did confirm they were from a fantasy range they did which had a very short run. Afraid there is not much more I can add myself. Maybe I should just call them Tusked Lizard-Men? If anyone else has any better suggestions let me know. Cheers folks. |
DalyDR | 11 Mar 2009 8:12 p.m. PST |
raf1870 wrote: "Bob Naismith got back to my query. However, even he couldn't remember" Well, nice of him to respond! But if he can't recall, I imagine it'll be tough to ever get a definitive ID. My view is some sort of orc or ogre, wearing a helmet made from the skull of an immature dragon or somesuch other nasty creature, not a lizardman. But they can be anything you want them to be!
Dave |
The Dozing Dragon | 18 Jun 2009 5:06 a.m. PST |
From the F9 markings it's an 'Armoured Troll Striking' – I've put a listing up on the Lost Minis WIKI along with some pics – looks like I got one of mine wrong as F9 – would you mind if I used the pics for the site? link If anyone has any spare please let me know direct at dave 'dot' sabs 'at' ntlworld 'dot' com Cheers Dave |
raf1870 | 06 Aug 2009 7:49 a.m. PST |
So these are possibly Trolls from the Naismith Range? Finally their identity revealed. Cheers Dave |