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Windward20 Feb 2009 1:27 p.m. PST

Hi

My math skills are failing here, if I add a +1 to 2d6 what is the percent change of numbers occurring? I understand its a bell curve, so the percent chance of a 2 goes from 1/36 to 0, and a 12 goes from 1/36 to 2/36. I come up with roughly 9% is that correct?

What if I add a +1 to 2d10?

Farstar20 Feb 2009 1:29 p.m. PST

The percentage change is not constant, but is dependent on the target number.

This is the fundamental difference between bell curve mechanics (multiple dice added together) and flat distribution mechanics (single dice).

Personal logo BAMeyer Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Feb 2009 2:00 p.m. PST

Chances of rolling a number using 2d6 +1 compared to 2D6

3 -50.00%
4 -33.33%
5 -25.00%
6 -20.00%
7 -16.67%
8 +20.00%
9 +25.00%
10 +33.33%
11 +50.00%
12 +100.00%

Billiam20 Feb 2009 2:50 p.m. PST

distribution 2d6 (rounded)
2 (3%), 3 (6%), 4 (8%), 5 (11%), 6 (14%), 7 (17%), 8 (14%), 9 (11%), 10 (8%), 11 (6%), 12 (3%)

distribution 2d6+1 (rounded, assumes max. 12)
2 (0%), 3 (3%), 4 (6%), 5 (8%), 6 (11%), 7 (14%), 8 (17%), 9 (14%), 10 (11%), 11 (8%), 12+ (8%)

% difference, 2d6 to 2d6+1 (same assumptions)
2 (-100%), 3 (-50%), 4 (-33%), 5 (-25%), 6 (-20%), 7 (-17%), 8 (+20%), 9 (+25%), 10 (+33%), 11 (+50%), 12+ (+200%)

average change is +8%

Billiam20 Feb 2009 3:19 p.m. PST

And because I'm bored, chance of x or greater:

2d6 (same assumptions)
2+ (100%), 3+ (97%), 4+ (92%), 5+ (83%), 6+ (72%), 7+ (58%), 8+ (42%), 9+ (28%), 10+ (17%), 11+ (8%), 12+ (3%)

distribution 2d6+1
2+ (100%), 3+ (100%), 4+ (97%), 5+ (92%), 6+ (83%), 7+ (72%), 8+ (58%), 9+ (42%), 10+ (28%), 11+ (17%), 12+ (8%)

% difference, 2d6 to 2d6+1 (same assumptions)
2+ (0%), 3+ (3%), 4+ (6%), 5+ (10%), 6+ (15%), 7+ (24%), 8+ (40%), 9+ (50%), 10+ (67%), 11+ (100%), 12+ (200%)

average change is +47% (comparative)

tjantzen21 Feb 2009 2:19 a.m. PST

Here is a small fun program for calculating dice roll probability of all kinds of dice and various modifying scenarios

link

regards
Thomas

pphalen22 Feb 2009 11:08 a.m. PST

Others have answered, but from my perspective, all it does is skew the distribution so that the average expected value is now 8, versus 7.

For 7 and below, the probability of each possibility drops by about 3% and for each one above 7 it increases by about 3% (so an occurrence of a 7 has a probablility of 16.7% for 2d6 and 13.9% for 2d6+1)

Note that this is the absolute (point)change, not the percentage change (since I'm not a big fan of taking percentages of percentages…)

wballard17 Apr 2009 10:46 p.m. PST

"Others have answered, but from my perspective, all it does is skew the distribution so that the average expected value is now 8, versus 7."

Pedantic mode on: Yes it shifts the distribution value, no it does not 'skew' anything. Skew would change the shape of a distribution.
Pedantic mode off.

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