 John the OFM  | 05 Jan 2009 8:43 p.m. PST |
Is there that much of a difference in play?
I was putting together a Fortress Europe American Rifle Company, using both options. I found that at 1750 points, I could get approximately 400 points worth of extra troop choices if I went with the "Trained" version.
I have not played Flames of War long enough to decide which I prefer.
One thing I do know, is that "Fearless Veteran" Finns are pretty darn expensive! |
| Scale Creep Miniatures | 05 Jan 2009 9:11 p.m. PST |
You think Finns are bad? Try fielding Chuck Norris. 2850 points just for the beard! |
| John the OFM | 05 Jan 2009 9:13 p.m. PST |
Chuck Norris never has to fight. He just puts a matchbox on the table, says "My army is in here", and the other guy just gives up to save from being embarrassed. |
| coopman | 05 Jan 2009 9:20 p.m. PST |
The trained troops will be easier for the enemy to hit, and it will be harder for them to pass any skill tests. This is one of those things that you may just have to try to see if you will like it. 400 more points of troops is a good bit of stuff, depending of course on what you have available to you. |
aecurtis  | 05 Jan 2009 9:29 p.m. PST |
"Is there that much of a difference in play?" Yes, as indicated by the difference in cost. It balances out. Take the advice of a wise man, who recently rote that he believed "in a professionally produced [rule] set, that a lot of thought went into making all aspects work as a whole." Allen |
| John the OFM | 05 Jan 2009 9:35 p.m. PST |
Oooh, a Gotcha! 
There is a First Wave of purchases, considering my economic circumstances. This will cover "Veteran". Then a Second Wave to drag them down to "Trained". |
| Sundance | 05 Jan 2009 9:54 p.m. PST |
Or they are veterans, until they face that really tough battle, then they are watered down with replacements… |
| aecurtis | 05 Jan 2009 9:56 p.m. PST |
That seems to be more often portrayed as "Reluctant Veteran". |
| aercdr | 05 Jan 2009 9:59 p.m. PST |
Chuck Norris doesn't have a chin under his beard. He has another fist. Still, Finns are pretty tough. |
| Who asked this joker | 05 Jan 2009 10:13 p.m. PST |
Chuck Norris never has to fight. He just puts a matchbox on the table, says "My army is in here", and the other guy just gives up to save from being embarrassed.
Chuck Norris puts a figure of himself on the table and says, "My army, consisting of me, is here." |
| darthfozzywig | 05 Jan 2009 11:09 p.m. PST |
A miniature of Chuck Norris is still larger than a 1:1 soldier. And far deadlier. |
| bobstro | 05 Jan 2009 11:24 p.m. PST |
If you're just starting out, it will be cheaper figure count-wise (so both expense and time painting) to field a smaller veteran force. Later, as you add more figures and can field more stuff, you can experiment with trained. Trained, as already mentioned, will be easier to hit. Veteran infantry over 16 inches that does not move or shoot (concealed and gone to ground) cannot be hit, period. Skill tests are what's used to hit with artillery once you've ranged in, so it makes a big difference there -- esp. for Americans with their highly effective artillery. But the lowered rating forces will get decidedly more toys to work with. I routinely play with different ratings with the same core list just for the variety. - Bob |
| Grimmnar | 06 Jan 2009 5:05 a.m. PST |
Man, as a WoW player i have to say i didn't think i would ever see Chuck Norris puns outside of the game.
I don't know if i am a sad panda now or not. Grimm |
| Goober | 06 Jan 2009 5:30 a.m. PST |
I fielded a formation of C:V US armored rifle last weekend and found them to be much more effective than a larger force of my normal C:T. Harder to hit and more effective in a rumble. The higher skill level is a great aid for arty, assaults and air power. Chuck Norris is a warrior and an independant figure. His cost cannot be calculated using conventional math and anyway, you can't afford it. His special rules are: 1. Every other unit on the table is immediately defeated.
2. You loose. |
| Capt John Miller | 06 Jan 2009 5:51 a.m. PST |
Chuck Norris just LOOKS at your table… you automatically fail your company morale test. Commissars remove themselves from the table when Chuck Norris puts his Army of One miniature, unpainted, no flash removed on the table. |
| WLBartlett | 06 Jan 2009 6:08 a.m. PST |
Always remember too, pain doesn't hurt, Chuck Norris does! |
| TredHedJon | 06 Jan 2009 7:57 a.m. PST |
Capt John……uhhhh…..would flash even dare to touch a Chuck Norris miniature? |
| Kelly Armstrong | 06 Jan 2009 9:46 a.m. PST |
If you have a 1500 point army and Chuck Norris has a 1500 point army, Chuck has you outnumbered. |
| The Groaning Konk | 06 Jan 2009 3:54 p.m. PST |
James Cameron wanted Chuck Norris to play the Terminator. However, upon reflection, he realized that would have turned his movie into a documentary, so he went with Arnold Schwarzenegger This is why FOW does not have an "Uber Hard Fearless Veteran Ginger of Death" classification after the usual FV… |
| The Groaning Konk | 06 Jan 2009 3:55 p.m. PST |
Chuck Norris is not hung like a horse… horses are hung like Chuck Norris |
| Utini420 | 06 Jan 2009 4:04 p.m. PST |
Hay, Anton. Since you are here… what's up with Flashpoint? Y'all commin' back, or what? Sorry to thread jack, had no way to PM on this utterly awesome forum. |
| The Groaning Konk | 06 Jan 2009 4:06 p.m. PST |
Be back soon mate, just finalising issues as we speak.
We have been hoping for a late Jan09 start but with things being the way they are it wont be till Feb09 at the earliest. Stay tuned! |
| Utini420 | 06 Jan 2009 4:41 p.m. PST |
woot! I'll take Feb09 over never any ol' day of the week. Still, y'all need something back up on flashpointminiatures.com, just so folks don't assume (as I had) that you guys had packed it up and said the hell with it. |
| McWong73 | 06 Jan 2009 5:31 p.m. PST |
On topic, but loving all the Chuck, the CV option makes the US Rifles far more effective in almost every way as has been discussed. The CV status though reduces the amount of platoons you can deploy by, as you noticed, 400 points. The one area where you will notice a difference is in the number of platoons you can take. I've always felt that one of the big strengths of CT US Rifles is the incredibly large number of platoons they can deploy, which makes thema hell of a lot hard to reduce to half strength (and force the company morale check). Soviet infantry has the largest numbers within each of their units, but you can't beat US rifles for the volume of units taken. I've found that to be a real advantage in many games. |
| Capt John Miller | 06 Jan 2009 9:07 p.m. PST |
"Capt John……uhhhh…..would flash even dare to touch a Chuck Norris miniature?" He can have flash BECAUSE he is Chuck Norris. On a more serious note, I would agree about the CV being tougher than the CT. Then again, I like my Strelk to be Fearless WITH Comicstars. |
| John the OFM | 06 Jan 2009 9:46 p.m. PST |
It would be rather hypocritical of *ME* to complain about a hijacking, wouldn't it? |
| Utini420 | 07 Jan 2009 10:55 a.m. PST |
On Topic -- Once you get used to Convident Vet, you never go back. I played one game with under-trained Germans, and spent two hours shaking my head, wondering why they were all so very very dead. |
| Aurelian | 07 Jan 2009 1:57 p.m. PST |
There is no point in clearing the flash off an unpainted Chuck Norris "One Man Army", because there will only be another fist beneath it… Chuck Norris has an Anti-Armor rating of 20. Even when he's driving a CV33. And I need to ask those in the know. Has Vallejo released its "Chuck Norris Denim" paint color yet? I can't find anything that quite matches the rugged shades seen in "Invasion USA". -A. |
| bobstro | 07 Jan 2009 9:16 p.m. PST |
Utinit420 wrote: On Topic -- Once you get used to Convident Vet, you never go back. I played one game with under-trained Germans, and spent two hours shaking my head, wondering why they were all so very very dead. Hey, Fearless Conscripts for me baby. I never did get the hang of those mincy veteran troops. Too much hiding! - Bob |
