| ioannis | 03 Jan 2009 8:48 a.m. PST |
Go to the following website, scroll a bit down, and check Lot 14's photos! link
Enjoy!
Ioannis |
| Mikhail Lerementov | 03 Jan 2009 8:58 a.m. PST |
Wow, 510 Euros. And the pirates are 20 Euro a piece. Nice paint job, but I won't be buying them. |
| avidgamer | 03 Jan 2009 10:48 a.m. PST |
Yeah, that's a hell of a lot of money. The paint job is expertly done but… I would expect more historically accurate metal figs for that price. |
| basileus66 | 03 Jan 2009 3:28 p.m. PST |
" I would expect more historically accurate metal figs for that price" So you pay per weight of the miniature not per quality of the painting?? Just curious… |
| avidgamer | 03 Jan 2009 5:37 p.m. PST |
"So you pay per weight of the miniature not per quality of the painting??" No, I didn't say that. The ACW Perry plastic miniatures are not very detailed and not accurate. Their metal line is much better. Frankly I wouldn't pay more than 50 cents per plastic figure regardless how nicely they were painted but I'd pay a nice sum for finely detailed and historically accurate miniatures. |
| BravoX | 03 Jan 2009 8:53 p.m. PST |
Totally agree with avidgamer. You've got to have a screw loose if you pay these prices for plastics however well painted. As good as the paint job is if I could afford to spend this much money on a mini I would only want metal not plastic. |
| Scale Creep Miniatures | 03 Jan 2009 9:47 p.m. PST |
The painting skill there is amazing, but I don't like that cartoony painting style. |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 03 Jan 2009 11:19 p.m. PST |
A very nice looking unit that ties together nicely. A good mix of colors and uniform styles that captures the essence of Confederates. |
| Lord Ashram | 03 Jan 2009 11:50 p.m. PST |
Exceptional paint jobs in my opinion! However, 510 euros seems awful high. I personally don't care THAT much if they are plastic or metal; I would pay less for plastic as far as the difference between the base cost of plastic and metal, but the price for the paint job is the price for the paint job. That is an awful high price tho:) Very, very nice painting tho. |
| ioannis | 04 Jan 2009 5:13 a.m. PST |
Maany thanks for your kind comments on the painting! |
| Regards | 04 Jan 2009 1:31 p.m. PST |
I love the choice of brown colors for the unit. Looks very homespun brown! Erik |
combatpainter  | 04 Jan 2009 2:19 p.m. PST |
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| basileus66 | 05 Jan 2009 6:12 a.m. PST |
"Frankly I wouldn't pay more than 50 cents per plastic figure regardless how nicely they were painted but I'd pay a nice sum for finely detailed and historically accurate miniatures." I would understand your point if we would be discussing the price of the unpainted miniature. I would do the same as you. However in this case what you are paying is for the painting job. I'll try to explain better. Say you have to decide if you would buy a painted unit of 36 figures using the best detailed and historically accurate metal miniatures ever existed in the market, but the paint job is far from 'good', just a plain 'wargames finish': would you pay 500 euros for that unit? Even 360 euros? Of course I can't afford to pay as much as 510 euros per one unit, regardless how well painted and accurate it is! Thus, for me, this is an academic debate, actually. And also agree with you that the value of something is very subejctive. I know people that can spend an awful lot of money going to a fashion restaurant -even if they don't know what the hell are eating!-. For them is a valuable expenditure. For me? No way! What I disagree with you, and I didn't explain in the first post (apologies for that), is that I don't believe that the intrinsic value of a bare metal miniature should be a relevant factor in the final price of a painted unit. At least not the most relevant (no more than a 10% up or down of the final price) Best regards
Antonio |
| avidgamer | 05 Jan 2009 8:06 a.m. PST |
Antonio, I judge what I buy on a few factors and the final decision to buy or not is based upon these, a 'Total package': 1. Quality of the paint job In this case it is very high so all is well so far. 2. Quality of the sculpted miniature. In the case it isn't so well so… a few 'dings' on the price from me. 3. Historical accuracy miniature Same as above. Not good here. 4. Historical accuracy of the paint job. In this case it is hard to tell. I'm fanatical about the ACW so I'd need to see a few more pics. This one is undecided. 5. Price In this case too steep for me. Bottom line is that in this case I wouldn't buy if I had that kind of money. The painting skill is excellent but the figures let the painter down. He could do just so much unless he's done extensive conversions and at that point it would be even MORE money and even MORE not worth it. You might as well start with nice miniatures and just paint them. |
| Mikhail Lerementov | 06 Jan 2009 7:38 a.m. PST |
I'm not an expert on ACW uniforms, so what's wrong with the Perry Plastics in regards to accuracy? |
| muzik212 | 08 Jan 2009 7:59 a.m. PST |
The problem comes into play more for the extremely detail oriented. One of the larger issues are the 4 button sack coats. This works fine for federal but sack coats would be a very rare sight, if seen at all on a CS soldier, North Carolina troops being an exception. The Perry minis lack Richmond Depot 1 through 3 jackets, Tait jackets, and the various commutation styles. I think the Perry minis work best for generic federal or western theater fed, I wish they had frocks for this as well. Again, its really only a problem once you cross over to obsessive compulsive. I have early mid and late war armies as a result of my condition! :) Sean |
| avidgamer | 08 Jan 2009 6:25 p.m. PST |
Sean, Yes to all that PLUS… none of the box slings and boxes have plates on them, all oval belt plates and nothing else, the boxes themselves are enormously oversized, the drum is enormously large and hangs while defying gravity, some of the slouch hats are more like "cowboy" hats, the bayonet scabbards don't hang corectly and the some of the Forage caps don't 'sit' correctly for Forage caps. Other than that… it's all good. ;) |
| firstvarty1979 | 23 Jan 2009 12:19 p.m. PST |
Regarding the paint jobs. While the quality appears good, the historical accuracy is questionable. They are painted with different hats, jackets and pants. Even ignoring the syle differences, the colors are not consistent. If this group of figures is supposed to represent a unit of some kind (a single undersized company perhaps?) then the men would have, in all likelyhood, have received their uniforms at the same time. Now I suppose you could say that they are wearing civilian clothes, and represent early war CSA militia before they were issued uniforms. That would be okay except some of are wearing kepi's, an issue item, and even those don't match! You do a great job painting your SYW figures, please do some research into ACW Confederates – the "various colored mob" looks is only accurate when depicting them as prisoners, intermingled with other regiments. Reenactors have been some of the worst at causing this misconception, but in recent years that has been corrected in many organizations to some extent. Here are some links to provide an idea of the effect you should be looking for: picture picture picture And what you should not: picture |
