"28mm Hanoverian SYW group build plan.." Topic

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What a great idea – there should be more group build plans like this.

i have registered my interest!

I might be a little thick, but what is a group build plan? Is this a sculpting project? A painting project?

did you have a look?it is a sculpting thing for those interested to express interest and..
this is the parent link which might further explain it
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You could also buy Hanoverians from Front Rank or Venture Miniatures and save yourselves a lot of trouble.

Ah, but you could order these and save a lot of money thanks to the exchange rate on the $AUD

I didn't mean to rain on your parade, Your Eminence. I think that this is a great idea, and based on how you have presented it, the range would be one of the most comprehensive Hanoverian SYW ranges ever. I look forward to seeing how this progresses.

Your most humble servant,

DAF

Front rank have more than a few problems, sahes over the wrong shoulder amongst other things and buying anything from the US is expensive for us..at the moment with 3 biggish orders Battlescape is happy to proceed and to do them at a most competitive price..

I had a look at Venture..not a complete range so it seems and they seemed a bit odd looking to my eye..I wouldn't buy them after viewing their pics..

and DAF, don't worry about the rain, I have a big umbrella

I am confused. Who would do the sculpting and production, Eureka? I'd be interested but who would I pay if the project got of the ground (or maybe it already has?).

Battlescape in Australia: link

Somewhere in the posts (link provided above by the Cardinal, within the group build section) it is mentioned who does the sculpting… just cant remember the names off hand

Sounds like the wargaming equivalent of an Amish barn-raising. I believe a Reading-based group did something similar a decade or so back, ordering a big production run of some converted Saratoga British infantry for Front Rank's AWI range (don't think they ever got released to the public though). Excellent idea, if the figures turn out all right.

Please record this endevour in a collective blog so we can read about it as it progresses.

a collective blog.? we have enough time tied up with the forum site which is quite collective enough….and that is where orders are being recorded and discussions are being undertaken and this project has nothing at all to do with Eureka..and ths culptor is…who is it Matt?

""who would I pay if the project got of the ground (or maybe it already has?).""
Battlescape of course..

its a secret, then everyone would order the range and I couldn't be elitist anymore!

cheers
Matt

PS will let you all know in due time!

And yes I will use my blog for propaganda!

cheers
Matt

Hello All.

I have posted some further details on this project up including sculptor, sample work and general information. If you have any interest, please logon to the forum and voice it! :)

while the disussion at the above link has been robust, and a little too stream -of-conciousness at times, details have been formalised and a link to ordering has been established, now it is just the thrashing around about pose and form, so to speak..

Hello All

We have been getting a great response to this Group Build. I know there has been some issues with French and German I.P. addresses viewing the details on the BattleScape website. I am looking into this now.

Rest assured that this project is moving along well and work has begun on putting together all the relevant details to get this into motion.

regards
Mathew

woohoo!!!!

Hey, It looks like this is actually going to happen!
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Hello All

An update with this project.

The sculptor has been booked in for June/July to begin this project.

In the coming days i will be putting the figure range up onto WarTimeMiniatures.com.au which now handles all the figure projects. This will include pricing.

Given that it has been a few months and as a final gateway i would ask that all those who committed to get this project underway, then reorder via WarTime as a confirmation of their intentions.

let me know if you have any questions.

regards
Mathew

Following some uncertainty in the link above about the putative figures' size and style, I'd prefer to see a sample, or pictures at least, before committing to buy larger numbers. They would obviously need to match existing French and Prussian/Hessian ranges, so in your ideas will they fit in with Front Rank, Foundry, Crusader or Minden?

PS Maybe I've overlooked it but is there a grenadier officer in the range? As a difference to most other nations, Hanoverian grenadier officers did wear the cap instead of the tricorn. They also wore their sash around the waist, under the coat, as they had an elaborate baldric and pouch to go with their fusil.

Also I see that coat lace was an issue earlier in the discussion. Apparently the lace edging on cuffs and lapels was removed early in the Seven Years War – buttonhole lace stayed on. This is the version shown in the Niemeyer/Ortenburg book.

Are the Schaumburg-Lippe Carabiniers still on? This could be the first time imagi-nation sales help produce a historical figure!

"Following some uncertainty in the link above about the putative figures' size and style, I'd prefer to see a sample, or pictures at least, before committing to buy larger numbers. They would obviously need to match existing French and Prussian/Hessian ranges, so in your ideas will they fit in with Front Rank, Foundry, Crusader or Minden?"

I thought they were supposed to be Minden-like. At least that's why I signed up.

musketeir..do you have a picture of the Grenadier officer in cap and waist sash, with a date? or a link?
I intend to do a research design for the Caribiner. I have come across a reference to officers with a red epaulette, I presume this to be a fringe..any ideas on the musican, a very mysterious subject and standards. I imagine being in theory light horse they didn't carry colours but from a marketing point to imagi-nations people a full command set would be a plus
also a figure of the Graf..
Whatever my final involvement I am firmly in the compatibility to Minden camp.. indeed my idea, hubris as it may be, is to surpass the Mindens. On these matter s I always follow the attitude of the Australian Cricket team and back myself completely.

The intention is for the miniatures to be similar to Minden is size and proportions.

We also intend to produce the range as per the current Group Build list. I am looking for two different face to be done for the Musketeers and Grenadiers to give some semblance of variance. :)

The intention is for these miniatures to be definitive in accuracy and quality. I am confident we can achieve this and will even ensure the greens get public display so they may be changed or confirmed as required (hopefully just confirmed) :).

regards
Mathew

Your Eminence and Mathew,
- Graf Schaumburg-Lippe you already have an illustration of, he's no. 78 in Mollo's book (as reproduced on the Miniature Wargaming forum on 22 Oct 2007) – he's wearing a general officer's uniform, nothing like his carabiniers' dress!
- Will try and e-mail scans of the grenadier officers at Bemerode
- The Carabiniers were all of 75 strong as you know. Odds are therfore they had neither standard nor trumpeter, or we would have heard about them. I realise that imagi-nations might want them, so my conjecture would be to look at their cuirassier counterparts: standard bearer NCO in cuirass and helmet with baldric clipped to standard shaft; trumpeter in tricorn, no cuirass, kollett with false sleeves at the back.
- The carabinier officer is depicted with silver-fringed red epaulettes in the Sturm series of cigarette cards; again, not sure how much of that is conjecture.
- As a final point, note that Knφtel specifies the arm protections were abandonned in 1758, so you need to decide which version to go for. Perhaps leave them on the standard bearer?

Thanks for the info Musketier.

I am actually looking for a couple of people to help with the research and references for this project. As i said previously ensuring we get this right is of the highest importance. If you would like to help please feel free to email me directly:

Mathew@BattleScape.com.au

regards
Mathew

Work for this project is to begin shortly. The sculptor has the details for the first batch of figures which will be the infantry. Due to the size of the project i have decided to break it down into more "manageable chunks".

Horse regiments will be next.

Once i have a workable green to show, i will get it out for you to see!

Here is the basic list for the first lot of figures:

H01 – Musketeer marching
H01A – Guard Musketeer marching
H02 – Sergeant marching, halberd
H02A – RSM marching, cane
H03 – Officer marching, spontoon
H03A – Officer marching, sword drawn (shouldered)
H04 – Drummer marching
H05 – Hautbois marching (Oboe)
H05A – Hautbois marching(Bassoon)
H06 – Standard bearer marching (finial + cords)
H07 – Infantry casualties (2)
H08 – Mounted Colonel

H10 – Grenadier marching
H10A – Guards Grenadier at attention
H12 – Grenadier sergeant, marching with fusil
H13 – Grenadier officer, marching with fusil
H14 – Grenadier command set (drummer, fifer, sapper)

With the recent happenings in the 28mm SYW Hanoverian world, i thought i would take the opportunity to update on this project. Work has commenced on the first figures. The

complete list is:

H.01. Musketeer marching, musket upright
H.01A. Musketeer marching with musket leveled.
H.01.B Guards Musketeer marching, Musket upright
H.02. Officer with spontoon, marching
H.02A. Officer with sword drawn marching
H.03. Sergeant with 1/2 pike/Partizan,
H.04. Drummer, marching
H05 – Hautbois marching (Oboe)
H05A – Hautbois marching(Bassoon)
H.06. Grenadier marching, musket upright
H.06A Grenadier standing to attention
H.06B. Grenadier advancing , musket leveled
H.07. Grenadier Officer with fusil, marching
H.08. Grenadier Sergeant with fusil & cane, marching
H.09. Grenadier command, 1 each of; Grenadier drummer, Grenadier fifer, and sapper marching
H.10. Infantry standard bearer, finial with cords
H.11. Mounted infantry colonel
H.12. Infantry casualties/morale markers (2) (lying around)

H.13. Horse trooper
H.14. Horse officer
H.15. Horse standard bearer
H.16. Horse trumpeter
H.17. Dragoon trooper (hand on musket)
H.17A. Dragoon officer
H.19. Dragoon standard bearer
H.20. Dragoon drummer
H.21. Horse grenadier (hand on musket)

Command Group
H.22. Mounted General and ADC,
H.23. Pz Ferdinand of Brunswick mounted and on foot.
H.24. Command diorama: ADC awaiting orders; seated officer looking at map, 2 staff officers in animated conversation

Kleiner Krieg
H.25. FreiKorps musketeer(Legion Britannique)
H 26. Legion Britannique foot command 1 each of; officer, NCO and drummer,
H.27. Jaeger. 3 poses (2 skirmishing & 1 firing)
H.28. Jaeger musician
H.29. Jaeger officer

H.30. Schaumberg-Lippe -Buckerburg Caribinier trooper
H.31. Schaumberg-Lippe -Buckerburg officer
H.32. Schaumberg-Lippe -Buckerburg trumpeter
H.33. Schaumberg-Lippe -Buckerburg Standard

H.34. Gunners, set of 4
H.35. Engineer Officer
H.36. Battalion gun crew assistants( 2 gunner/laborers in regimental uniform assisting in moving the 4lber regimental gun)

Guns
H.37. 4 pounder Battalion gun
H.38. 6 pounder Battery gun
H.39. 12 pounder Heavy battery gun

H.40. Luknar Hussars in Busby

The list has now been uploaded onto:

Wartimeminiatures.com.au

and is available for pre order.

You will notice it is quite an extensive range. I had also been planning a heavy horse and light horse in both walking and trotting poses.

Due the pending release of a Hanoverian range by Minden and some changes to the original list i am providing the opportunity for people to reaffirm their commitment to the group build or as an indication for it to be put on hold.

regards
Mathew

As a guide to the quality you can expect see the Australian Light Horse i have had done previously:

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The pre order system is the only measure i have for the ranges viability and that is what will see the project come to fruition or otherwise.

Mathew,

Great sculpts, if your Hanoverians are as good then with Minden we will be spoilt for choice. Variety is the spice etc. Good luck with the project

Hello All.

Well here is a link to a couple of very early pictures of the Hanoverians. Blank master dollies only, but enough to give you a good impression of the quality. I would not normally do this, but given the sudden influx of 28mm Hanoverians onto the market ( :) ) i thought i better show what else is coming in the next couple of months. :)

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regards
Mathew

Matthew.

These look great. Im glad I sent in my pre-order.

And now, the line has been handed off to BlazeAway Miniatures?