"WSS proposed at Wargames Factory’s Liberty and Union League." Topic

I'm not the one that proposed to do WSS Infantry and Cavalry but I put my name down for a few sprues of each set. I think this might be a good idea and maybe a good way to build 28mm units at a lesser cost. Anyhow the sole purpose of this tread is to inform any interested people that this proposal is on the WF site. So if interested go there link and put your name down for a few spues.

Cheers!

I posted it for that very reason Calimero. I was looking through Grant's 2 volumes and the basic infanty and cavalry appear close to identical. Then I remembered painting loads of generic WSS 15mm Dixons ages ago and how happy I was with the result. Well generic's in 28mm plastic seemed natural.

Thanks for supporting them. I have high hopes that there are many WSS gamers and collectors that feel the same. They aren't as sexy as zombies but I hope that there are at least 100 folks that will want at least 1000 sprues.

Donald~

I put in for 20 sprues of each. I'd love to see this range produced. I have a mix of Old Glory and Foundry figs in my armies now but I'd love to be able to complete the armies with plastics with Foundry command.

I put in a post for these, so I hope that WF add all of them together when determining demand.

Well, it seem that the numbers are going up… slowly though. Let's hope the demand continue to grow. ;)

On one hand I'm surprised no one has done this before! The WSS would be one of those rare conflicts in history where, because they followed civilian fashion, the uniforms are more-or-less the same for all countires.

I'd be really happy if they turn out to be compatible with Front Rank but as long as they're compatible with one of the metal manufacturers for command figures, I'll be happy.

(I'm not holding my breath for for someone to produce Danish infantry with their alleged double breasted coat!)

The listings are a little past halfway down and are currently:

Generic War of the Spanish Succession Cavalry – Number Needed to Enter Production: 619 – Percentage Complete: 38%

Generic War of the Spanish Succession Infantry – Number Needed to Enter Production: 631 – Percentage Complete: 37%

-- Jeff

I'd buy a thousand figures minimum (not sure what this is in sprues) if they were in Holger Eriksson wood carving style and poses but detailed (i.e. HE did the GNW Spencer Smith, Tradition HE, Prinz August ranges) or similar to the Zvezda GNW figures. Otherwise probably not interested. I know other guys who would also be interested. And there should be dozens of OSW people also interested given sales of reprints of The Wargame and Companion.

They posted my addition to the list today: 18th century heads

Selection of various heads for converting 18th century models. Included would be tricorns, bicorns, bare heads, bearskin, mitre, mirliton, busby, and schomberg helmet. Ideally there should be 8 of each type.

This might work well with the Generic WSS models

A few weeks ago WF put out a call for any digital sculptors interested in sculpting for them. As I am a digital sculptor with an interest in military history and a sometime wargamer I thought I would have a go at this.

Given that the WSS figures seem to be climbing in the league and this is a peiod I have been interested in, I thought I might try sculpting these, though I have a few questions. I couldn't find a thread for this on the WF forum so hope it is OK to ask here. Also keep in mnd that this is entirely speculative as I have not spoken to WF at all let alone had any sculpts accepted.

-What would people's expectations be of a generic WSS figure, especially regarding equipment? I have the Osprey Louis XIV Army book and the CS Grant book 'From Pike to Shot' but not his later two volume set. From what I can see, the French army particularly differed in it's placement of the bag/cartridge box and the bayonet. It might be possible to make a separate cartouche box that could be stuck on the front for the French, but you'd still be stuck with the leather bag on the right hip.

-What about pockets? The standard appears to be a scalloped, horizontal three button pocket at the front, but the French again look to have differed, at least some regiments.

-And 'gaiters' over the shoes or just stockings? Would a mixture be OK?

Also, the requested pose is 'march attack'. What did this look like at the time? The only marching poses I have seen (figures, reenactors, pictures) have the fusil shouldered on the left shoulder with the butt supported in the left hand rather than being supported in the crook of the elbow as in later periods.

Thanks for your help.

Dixon did a range that was generic years ago that I thought were nicely posed and accoutered although the heads were a bit large.

I think the cartridge box on the right hip for everyone with a three button large cuff and a standard horizontal 3 button flap pocket as well. I know the French differed with a half dozen different patterns of pockets; however that will not work for a Generic. I like stockings instead of gaiters for this period, and march attack is more like a marching pose. I have each of the other books that you mentioned and I really think the best reference for the period is the 2 volume CS Grant set of books. Seperate heads or hats, with a tricorn, a bearskin, a tall mitre and a short mitre and if space allows a floppy hat(allows the figures to be used for 1680-1700).

I sent a lot of information to Tony at WF regarding this project, you probably need to speak to him.

regards,
Donald~

I agree with DRDHauser's 02 Mar 2009 5:47 p.m. PST post.

… cartridge box on the right hip for everyone with a three button large cuff and a standard horizontal 3 button flap pocket as well.
… stockings instead of gaiters for this period
… march attack is more like a marching pose
… Seperate heads or hats, with a tricorn, a bearskin, a tall mitre and a short mitre and if space allows a floppy hat(allows the figures to be used for 1680-1700).

Keep the figure simple and plain.

No other equipment.

March attack with a vertical musket right, not slanted to the rear as in a real marching pose?

Jim

I put in for 60 sprues of infantry, and – I think – 30 sprues of cavalry. I'd be all over this period, were it offered in plastic.

I'd definitely take a look at these as an alternative source of fantasy humans… and I might even be drawn back to it to field a Danish army, just on principle…

Leland R. Erickson
Metal Express
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>>March attack with a vertical musket right, not slanted to the rear as in a real marching pose?

I have given this a bit of thought. If going with early 1700's i.e. stockings and shoes, a shouldered musket slanted to the rear might be more authentic as cadenced marching had not been introduced. Troops moved around in open order and only formed up when in line. If mid 1700's with gaiters, then march attack would be more appropriate.

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"I'd definitely take a look at these as an alternative source of fantasy humans… and I might even be drawn back to it to field a Danish army, just on principle"

The Danes did not wear the "generic" uniform, at least in the WSS. The coat had two rows of buttons, much like the mdern double breasted coat.

For the French, you could have the front box and the large cartrige box separate. Use the front for the French and the large for the Allies. This still leaves th problem of the powder horn (not actually a horn,I don't think) the French used. There's always something . . .