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Harbinger320 Nov 2008 10:29 a.m. PST

Was Ticonderoga the largest battle of the war in number of troops involved, other than the plains of Abraham?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2008 10:41 a.m. PST

St. Foy was larger than Plains of Abraham, but not as large as Ticonderoga.
It could be called "Plains of Abraham Two!". Same general area, same troops, plus French get La Reine and a bunch of militia who never made it to PoA.
This time, the Brits march out to offer battle, since the fortifications of Quebec are just as miserable for them as they were for Montcalm, and not much could have been done over the winter to improve them.

Rudysnelson20 Nov 2008 12:07 p.m. PST

The French assault on the Chickasaw at Ackia contained a large number of troops on both sides.

Rudysnelson20 Nov 2008 1:22 p.m. PST

The Chickasaw force included 1,200 warriors including 80 Shawneee, a dozen English traders and 100 natchez exiles.

The French force included about 270 French troops + over 1,000 native Allies from Choctaw to various Louisiana tribes.

archstanton7320 Nov 2008 2:12 p.m. PST

ticonderoga was a large battle--and a mess-- it would be good to refight 'sensibly' rather than just attacking the abbatis striaght on…

Carillon20 Nov 2008 7:56 p.m. PST

With approximately 15,000 British and Provincials, and 3,000 French and Canadians, Ticonderoga has to be at or near the top of the list of big North American FIW battles. Not all of these forces were engaged, but even so, it was one heck of fight. There are some great "what ifs" to try with this battle. What if Abercromby's attempt to set up an artillery battery on the south side of La Chute had succeeded? What if the British attacks had been coordinated and all forces had stepped-off together--even without artillery support? What if Montcalm's large Indian reinforcement had arrived in time for the battle? And so on. There were also some friendly fire incidents. If I recall, the New York and Connecticut Provincials exchanged fire for a few minutes before they realized who they were shooting at. Such things will happen, I suppose, when you have no idea where you are or who's in front of you. A lot of the gaming terrain I see in Ticonderoga re-fights is too level and too sparsely wooded. Improving that element alone could make for a great re-fight.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2008 10:47 p.m. PST

La Belle Famille and Louisbourg were good sized battles too.

historygamer21 Nov 2008 7:19 a.m. PST

Ah, you have run into the problem with F&I – no real large open field battles. PoA was over in something like 15 minutes, after the opening volley. Ste. Foy was a mud bowl, and the greatly reduced British battalions were out flanked by the French/Canadian forces, and sensibly fell back to weather out the event till the British fleet arrived. Braddock was a fluke battle, as the British were in a cockeyed formation they couldn't get out of to defend against flank attacks. All the rest are battles of campaigns, seiges, supplies, road building, posts and overblown skirmishes that decided a continent.

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