"Old Glory or Elite 25mm (1806-1807)" Topic

I'm considering buying some 25mm figs for the 1806-1807 campaign. Initially Russian/French with the ability to develop into the Prussian 1806 and even the earlier campaigns against Austria. Elite minatures cover the period and so do Old Glory. Price is about the same if I went for the Elite brigade deals. Looking at the (limited) photos online the Elite Russians look good with the French OK, while the opposite is true for Old Glory (French good, Russians OK).

Heres a couple of links to the OG figures. To me they look to be a similar style to the Elites but are they compatible scale wise? Could I mix the makes on the table or even within units?
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I'd like to stick with OG but my experience with their 15mm figures shows there are some really good figures and some really bad ones which I suspect is the same with their 25mm. The Elite Range looks pretty comprehensive and apart from the odd "cartoon" figure consistently good.

Any views gratefully received.

Have you consider the new Old Glory figures from the second edition? If you join the Old Glory army, you get the figures for 40% off. Plus, in the near future, you will be able to purchase the second edition figures already painted for around $2.00 USD a figure.

I would also recommend that you take a look at Sash and Saber. Right now you can only get Austrians, French and Russians, but I see that changing sometime after the first of the year.

In terms of compatibilty, I have mixed the standard Old Glory Napoleonic with both Conniosseur and Elite miniatures.

Old Guardian,
If you are contemplating doing 1806 and earlier you may want to look at the first releases of Eureka Miniatures' "Wars of the French Revolution" range. Fighting 15's in England carries this range.

Cheers,
Rob
Eureka Miniatures USA

Thanks for the replies.

I've looked at the OG 2nd edition and at the moment it's all 1809 onwards, very nice they are too judging from the photos. I can see some of them coming my way for the 1809 to 1815 campaigns but I expect it'll take a while to get round to the earlier (less popular) campaigns.

I didn't want to try samples if they were obviously incompatible. But if standard OG mix ok with Elite I may get a few samples from each and decide.

I reaise this is how rumours start but I was told recently by someone involved in OG in the UK that the sculptor of the OG 2nd edition is the same sculptor who does Sash and Saber. What that will mean for the Sash and Saber range I don't know. If it's true its another reason the 2nd editions will be worth getting.

The Eureka figures do look nice. Could be a buy just for the fun of painting them.

Old Guardian: I do believe that you are correct. The sculptor is Chris Hughes.

I used to have an 1805-07 French army (since divested) that mixed in every brand under the sun in each unit. It looked pretty good and gave me a scruffy campaign appearance that I wanted for the French. So I had Elite, Old Glory, Essex, a few Connoisseurs, Eagle-Bicorne and a few Hinchcliffes too.

For the Prussians and Russians, I used Elite. Elite has everything that you could possibly want for these armies.

I am hoping that OG2 adds the French in bicorn and appropriate opponents when they revamp the range.

I have a huge collection of Elite minis. They are 30mm. OG are 25mm. You can't mix the figures in the same units.

But the strange thing is that they look fine together on the wargames table when you keep them in separate units. You don't notice the height difference.

The S&S models are nice. You may want to hold fire until you see the second edition figures that are coming out (or perhaps already available?) Don't compare the original OG Napoleonics with the new stuff. The new stuff (S&S and 2nd edition) is really good and up there with the best.

I can't believe that the price will be similar. OG should come in at half price or less compared to Elite.

Blimey what to do! Getting slightly different opinions but it sounds like the figures do mix notably the period I'm looking at (thanks DAF).

I agree Chortle the 2nd edition do look great,as do S&S (I've got a couple of battalion of Austrians). But can I wait till the OG 2nd get round to this period of the war?

In terms of price in the UK, OG are £22.00 GBP a bag = 73p each, Elite 4 fig packs would be 90p each (certainly not half priced) but the Elite regimental packs bring this down to 86p and the £100+ brigade packs to about 75p each. I'd also have complete units not spare figures left over.

Having seen a previous thread, if my patience could hold out I'd wait for OG 2nd to get established then head to Historicon in July and spend a large sum, the 40% discount OG offer would just about pay for the flight and I'd have a Wargaming Holiday thrown in. Bargain.

When I said OG were about half price I meant with the 40% discount. I should have been more clear.

How many figures are you after?

Old Guardian:

If you are waiting until Historicon of 2009, then I believe you will be pleasantly surprised by what you will find in Old Glory 2nd edition, both painted and unpainted. Plus, What will be coming down the pike for Sash and Saber in the way of new Napoleonics.

Ah with the 40% discount yes they would be a lot cheaper but we don't get that in the UK! The other thing I notice is there is a basic price difference too. OG in the states (not discounted price) $30 USD = £18.41 GBP while in the UK the price of £22.00 GBP = $35.86!!!!!!!!! So there's another 20% difference. I know theres different taxes but the OG 15mm is the otherway round with bags being £11.00 GBP here = $17.93 USD in the States they are $17. USD I realise the £ has dropped 25% against the $ in recent months but something doesn't add up.

In terms of numbers of figures I'd probably look at about 2 to 3 bridades of 4 battalions each and supporting troops on each side. Hence the comparison of OG to Elite's brigade deals. I don't mind spending a few hundred pounds in one go if it means I get a bargain.

The more I think about it the more I see a trip to the States would be appropriate. And I've just read that the 2009 Historicon theme is the 1809 campaign so that's another reason to go. I've got a lot of 15mm for the 1809 campaign and want to try 25-28mm as they look so good and I enjoy painting them (I'm more a Painter-Wargamer than a Wargamer-Painter). But I don't want to duplicate the stuff I have in 15mm hence the interest in the 1806-07 campaign (oh and James Arnold's Crisis in the Snows).

Sorry missed your post Minatureships.

Now I'm really intrigued what S&S are coming out with. Good news really as I had assumed that if Chris Hughes is involved with 2nd edition S&S may have stopped expanding their ranges.

Looking at your profile you're involved with OG25. Any chance of a hint at what's planned for 2nd edition and S&S and anticipated timescales? Would I see 1806-07 2nd edition at Historicon?

God I sound like a kid before Christmas not a middle aged accountant.

Old Guardian, We will know more by the first of the year. The other route that you could go when buying Old Glory is to go direct to Old Glory in the US. Part of the price difference that you are seeing between 15's and 25's in the UK is the weight difference, and thus more in shipping cost. Plus, I am not sure what the difference would be in duty, which again would be based on the value of the products sent.

We do have UK customers who are part of the Old Glory army that buy direct from Old Glory.

I hadn't thought of the weight. I realise the taxation is different you should see our petrol prices!

I am very keen on the S&S and 2nd edition figures, so I'll probably hold fire till the New Yr, see what's planned then make a decision.

The option of buying direct will be worth it for a big order so I can always plan towards that.

Thanks

My main interest has allways been the Danube/Italian campaign of 1809 and Russia 1812 and I have 15mm armies for that. My pet project is the 1806-1807 Campaign in Poland. I looked hard at what was available in all scales and in the end choose to go with Elite figures in 28mm. They have everythig you need, OG do not have any Jagers nor Artillery for the Russians. Also they do not make fusilies in mitres.

I have been slowly painting up my forces and enjoying it. I would order some samples and then if you like what you see, take an advantage of the Xmass Brigade/Divisional packs.

cheers

One other thing about Elite. Last time I checked the Musketeer battalion packs consisted of 3 companies of musketeers and 1 company of grenadiers but should have 4 companies of the former and no grenadiers. Same with the Jagers, no mixed units of Jagers and Carabiners. When ordering just ask for a battalion with 4 identical companies.

cheers

Cheers Wulfila

You sound like you've already done what I'm considering, 15mm 1809 then 28mm 1806-07. The Elite Russian grenadiers in mitres do look very nice. I hadn't noticed the battalion composition.

Like you say the Elite range is comprehensive.

At Eagle Figures we are expanding our 1805-1807 russian figures and already have available chevalier garde, cuirassiers,dragoons and hussars – we also have some early period british, french,prussian and russian infantry. Contact us at stewart@eaglefigures.co.uk for catalogue and photos. We are converting the website to an online shop but it is a marathon exercise, so the site is not upto date