Dan Cyr | 01 Sep 2008 6:05 p.m. PST |
I know we've discussed this before, but I'd like a short list of 1/6000 scale warships to be modeled to match the original Figurehead ships. I'm holding out for the major Spanish, US and Chinese ships of the 1890s not already done. HMS Vanguard for the WW2 British as others have suggested, others for WWI, WWII and Modern? Make a short list and I'll collate them to the most desired ones and past them on. Thanks, Dan |
McKinstry | 01 Sep 2008 7:26 p.m. PST |
I actually had a model maker build me a 1/6000 Vanguard but it is a need for the range. For the US Span-Am ships, the AC's Brooklyn and New York and the PC's Olympia, San Francisco and Baltimore plus the monitors Teror and Monterray. For the Spanish, the battleship Pelayo, the 3 Infanta Maria Theresa's, the 3 Reina Christina's along with cristobal Colon and Carlos V. In Merchant/Auxilliary ships we need a US Fleet Oiler, a T2 tanker, a CAM ship, a genuine APA, and a better selection of tramp steamers. |
The Monstrous Jake | 01 Sep 2008 7:29 p.m. PST |
I'll add a big vote for pre-1910 US, Spanish, and Chinese, plus: * More Germans, French, British, and Italians to cover the 1880's up through WWI * Specifically, US cruisers 1880's through WWI. The battleships are well covered (except Maine and Texas) * British later-war destroyers |
McKinstry | 02 Sep 2008 5:51 a.m. PST |
Dan – Do you actually have a reasonable hope/chance/rumor that this line is actually going to get some new models? I forgot about the Brit WW2 late DD's, a very great need. The wartime O-S, the Battle, Daring and Ca classes are a must. I'd forgotten there was no Texas and Maine, also a definite need. I'd also add the large civilian tankers from pre-WW2 such as the Ohio of Malta convoy fame. |
Dan Cyr | 02 Sep 2008 7:43 a.m. PST |
McKinstry: Yes (smile). That is why I'm gathering "votes" on what they will make when they start. Hopefully we'll have input. Dan |
daveshoe | 02 Sep 2008 7:49 a.m. PST |
Well, I would love to see some more modern ships in the 1/6000 line. I really like this scale for modern stuff. My first suggestion would be for Chinese PLAN ships, followed closely by India and European navies (France, Germany, Italy, etc.). I would also like to see some of the missile boats (maybe some semi-generic versions) and the Soviet/Russian missile cutters. In addition to more WWI/WWII era civilian ships (freighters, tankers, and trawlers), it would be nice to have some modern freighters too. I would really love to see someone resurrect this line. Dave |
McKinstry | 02 Sep 2008 8:37 a.m. PST |
Thanks Dan. For what it's worth, I'd certainly put my money where my mouth is in the form of a pre-payment towards a purchase if there was a real chance to get things moving again. |
Top Gun Ace | 02 Sep 2008 12:57 p.m. PST |
Ah, yes, I would like to see some more modern vessels too (NATO countries, Germany first), especially of the smaller variety. Civilian fishing vessels, merchants, and cruise ships to help hide the small ankle-biters (modern Fast Attack Craft), until they can launch a devastating salvo at their enemies. Baltic region (Sweden, Norway, and Denmark). |
Arrigo | 07 Sep 2008 2:25 p.m. PST |
modern Italy :) and Japan |
MikelD | 09 Sep 2008 2:18 a.m. PST |
Post WW-II frigates (and low end destroyers), merchies and missile boats. |
kabrank | 09 Sep 2008 7:17 a.m. PST |
Another vote for 1880's through to WW1. Also modern post 1990. Thanks in expectation |
hindsTMP | 13 Sep 2008 7:22 a.m. PST |
Some other considerations: 1) Quality needs to be comparable or better. The skill set necessary for making very small scale models is not identical to that for larger, and the person who makes the masters needs to realize this. For example, in larger scales, if you carefully measure all the parts, and fasten them together in the correct places, the overall shape will be correct. In 1:6000, that is not the case. Small measurement errors are proportionally more important, and can add up; even cumulative thickness of adhesive layers can produce a noticable distortion. Therefore the model maker needs to realize this, and compensate by checking overall dimensions of the assembled master, and by evaluating the proportion of the overall assembled shape. 2) Scale: My Figurehead WWII European navies average 1:6300 for the big ships. If the entire range is like this, true-scale 1:6000 might look strange. I need to measure the moderns and WWII US / Japanese. 3) DDs should be cast separately from bases, as was done for later ships in the range, for example, the FRAMed Argentinian Fletcher DDs. |
HMSResolution | 25 Sep 2008 12:25 p.m. PST |
Came upon this late, but I am dead-on with McKinistry; I am using JKN miniatures to represent the late-war emergency British destroyers, and I would dearly love actual models for them and the Battle-class ships. I too would be willing to pre-pay for these. |
anglesburg | 04 Oct 2008 11:14 a.m. PST |
I would also like to see the Spanish American war period finished. In addition, I think many players would appreciate 1980+ Italian, French, German, Japanese, Indian and Chinese ships added to the line. |
Thomas Pope | 18 Nov 2008 12:52 p.m. PST |
I'm very interested in expansions to the modern part of the Figurehead range. Simple (ish) stuff I'd like to see includes a lot of the smaller missile boats (Osa, Sa'ar, Pegasus, Nanchuka, Tarantul, etc.) That said, almost any expansion to the line would be welcome. |
thenorthman | 02 Mar 2009 5:14 p.m. PST |
I vote for more modern ships. Germany, Japan, China, India, etc
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CrazyFreddie | 12 Apr 2009 5:55 a.m. PST |
I've made a long (42 line list), as mentioned before late 19th early 20th century cruisers are seriously lacking. Also missing are all the ships needed for Graeco-Turkish war. Gunboats/Torpedo Gunboats and Coast Defence Battleships are the main items missing. Other useful ships would be German Hilfskreuzer, Japanese and British AMC and British AA Auxilliaries (4 of 8 sunk). I've converted several spare Russo-Japanese War ships into ABC cruisers (some are sisters or cousins), replacements for my attempts would be nice and I'm still having trouble with the Capitan Prat (1910). |
artbraune | 22 Sep 2009 5:20 a.m. PST |
Any word on this at all? Seems like this has been idling for some time without any updates? |
hindsTMP | 20 Nov 2009 10:05 p.m. PST |
Well, here's an image at my first attempt at an unbased DD master. picture The hull at the top is the British "S-V" class war emergency DD hull I was working on. Unfortunately, I am having to discard it, as I have found that a scale freeboard (hull height) doesn't go well with my normal Figurehead "bases removed" DDs. I am therefore going to make a second hull from the block in the center, which will have 3/1000 inch more freeboard. Everything on the model will still be scale 1:6300 and in proportion. It will just look as if it was riding higher in the water (as in builders trials). More images to come later in the weekend of attempt 2. |
Dawkins | 21 Nov 2009 12:56 a.m. PST |
cool thanks for sharing. You should try making this picture |
hindsTMP | 23 Nov 2009 7:56 p.m. PST |
Well, didn't spend much time on the master this weekend, but I did the replacement hull. Now an interesting aspect of this effort is how to reconcile the goal of making a scale master, with the goal of achieving visual compatibility with the existing Figurehead line. picture picture Note the first posted image, showing the new hull next to a bases-removed Figurehead model representing a British "H" class DD. I have the "H" class's freeboard (hull height) cut down to about as low as I felt I could, given the desire to retain compatibility with the larger ships. So my new master is constrained to some degree by this, and I have the freeboard for the aft 2/3 of the "S" class hull master about the same as that of the "H" class (about .0028"). Now note the 2nd image, showing a profile of an "S" to "V" class DD (from the Norman Friedman "British Destroyers & Frigates" book, which you all should buy
). The freeboard on my "S" class hull in the 2nd image corresponds to just above the propellers on the profile (below the hatched grey band drawing on the hull; obviously not very realistic). But on the other hand, if I gave the model scale freeboard, it would look strange along side the standard Figurehead models. So my compromise is to have the exaggerated freeboard needed for compatibility, but to make everything above the waterline to scale. I am hoping that this will retain visual compatibility, and still look OK on the gaming table. If worst comes to worst, a modeler could file down the hull a bit (it's easier to remove hull height than add it). Mark H. |
hindsTMP | 29 Nov 2009 2:48 p.m. PST |
Some more progress on the 1:6000 British WWII S-V class DD master has occured. If I am going to do more of these tiny things, I will need to invent some better jigs, as my current ones were designed for larger scales. Note the annoying translucent styrene plastic, which makes it more difficult to see what one is doing. If I do another, I will consider changing to gray ABS plastic, which is what I think I used to use. More opaque, less flexible, and harder. First image shows my planned simplified shapes, with calculated dimensions in inches. Armament is not shown, and is generally positioned by eye. picture Second image shows the hull with some deckhouses, torpedo tubes, and the pompom added (usually a twin Hazemeyer in the War Emergency S-V classes). An existing Figurehad DD is included above for context. The red is used for positioning, and mostly comes off. Won't affect the casting in any case. picture |
hindsTMP | 09 Dec 2009 9:25 a.m. PST |
Pretty much finished, except possibly for a few minor details. A lot of compromises on the bridgework, to avoid undercuts; probably OK given the small size. Also, notice that the master still looks slightly low compared to the (removed-from-base) Figurehead H-class DD at the top of the image. That's due to the exaggerated vertical dimensions typical of most of the existing Figurehead line. As is, I did exaggerate the freeboard on the model (below the level of the quarterdeck). Above the level of the quarterdeck, the model is basically to 1:6300 scale. The advantage of this type of distortion is that if someone wants to eliminate the exaggerated freeboard on a casting produced from my master, all they have to do is file down the casting at the waterline by 2-3 thousands of an inch, per my TMP posts on removing DD bases. picture I am checking back with Figurehead to see if they are interested in doing some more unbased DDs (when the economy permits). If so, will see if they are interested in this one, or a possible ABS successor. I would probably try to get them to do some more unbased WWII DDs, since that is what I need for my current naval gaming. If they did this, presumably they would include the usual bases for those who prefer them. |
hindsTMP | 27 Dec 2009 10:03 a.m. PST |
Posted some new material pertaining to this topic at the 1/6000 Yahoo group site. Mark H. |
1x6000 | 26 Oct 2013 1:21 p.m. PST |
Are there still people around who are interested in new 1/6000 scale ships? I have done some 70+ ships of the period 1880 – WWI with many more to follow. A full list can be found here: datafilehost.com/d/8ddb4934 These ships are resin castings which I am selling at prices from € 1.50 (basic) to € 6.00 (painted). I've You have any suggesions for further development, feel free to contact me. C. C. |
Dave Crowell | 12 Nov 2013 7:31 a.m. PST |
I am certainly interested in 1:6000. The Figurehead range has served me well for WWI, I am contemplating expanding into pre-Dreds and am sure to encounter gaps then. Moderns also have significant gaps in the range, even as far back as the late eighties. |
Pinkus12001 | 28 Jan 2014 12:43 p.m. PST |
I have produced several 1/6000 ships for my own use using Shapeways and these include the Vanguard, Neptune, Battle and Daring classes. I have them available at the following link: link There is a small markup for me of £1.00 GBP and the rest is Shapeways material costs. Once i have worked out how to post pictures i will do this Thanks, Richard |