"Is the Earth Hollow?" Topic

Of course it's not hollow! It has a chewy nougat center.

I find the hollow Earth idea to be… odd. It might be hollow, for the following reasons.

1. Gravity at the centre of the Earth is exactly zero.
2. Inside a hollow shell, gravitational attraction is uniformly zero (shell theorem).
3. Gravity at the surface would behave exactly as if the planet was filled, albeit with a correspondingly lower density (something like 2gm/cm^3, a typical value for asteroids).

So the hollow-Earth people are kind of right, but inside the Hollow Earth, everything would float (not to mention burst into flames from the heat). Also, how this state of affairs arises is not clear, since heaviest elements would sink to the centre (the "floor" would be molten iron with lots of uranium, lead etc). The pressure there would also prevent any gas from forming.

We still don't really understand mass and gravity and geomagnetism, and we may have to scrap our models entirely. But at the moment the evidence is stronger for little green men from Mars.

If you really, really, want to game a scientifically accurate hollow Earth, then read "The smoke ring" books by Larry Niven, about life in a gas torus around a neutron star.
You can have flying steamships and whatnot, and your pith-helmeted troopers flying around with cloth wings.

Consider this:
I am an advanced civilization that can build UFOS, explore the galaxy, do anything I want etc
In other words I am super intelligent.

Well then, why would I want to hang out inside a hollow Earth ???????

Now if Earth wasn't hollow but contained the best holiday resort in the Universe, then you might have something.

I can't believe that this topic that I started (it seems quite some time ago) just keeps appearing to float to the top of the list time and time again. Would we call this a "floater"?

"Now if Earth wasn't hollow but contained the best holiday resort in the Universe, then you might have something."

ROFLMAO!!! You just gave me an idea for our Teenagers From Outer Space rpg. THANKS!!!!

Warren

Someone still playing TFOS? That's awesome.

TFOS is THE fast paced universal comedy Anime RPG!!!

The Academy of Richmond County has a good mix of weird aliens and humans. I know because it's my old high school. (even if I've been out for 30 years)

We've also played a Hogworts game that was a lot of fun!! The players were the kids of the characters in the books. They also had other supernatural entities there too. A lot like Rosario + Vampire manga.

Check it out…
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Is that like Teenagers from Mars (old song by some dudes from New Jersey… Glenn, Jerry, etc.)?

I'm not sure. I don't recall ever hearing Teenagers from Mars.

You can check out TFOS (Teenagers From Outer Space) here…
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It's a great rules-lite game that we fall back on when you have nights where the whole gaming group can't make the normal miniature session. The gang likes it.
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But you really have to be in a very non-serious mood.

Off the cuff as it were,

Since no one has actually been to the center of the earth, pentetrating down thru the crust discovers that gravity is indeed created by mass, and when the center is hollow, the crust exerts a gravitational pull to the outside crust….

Sunlight/heat source

A conflict of gravity causing a torid of force to appear in the exact center, providing light and heat. The In and Out gravities causes the conflict to occur and also the shifting earthquakes.

There you have it, and only a couple of beers to come up with it for a hollow earth game I ran.

Of course there is No Real Science behind it… other than the bit that no human has acutually been to the center of the earth to "see for himself"…

"gravity is indeed created by mass" – I am no scientist, but, by this statement, I'd be inclined to think that if the earth is hollow there is no mass at it's center to have a gravity attraction toward that center. I'd think the center of the gravity attraction would be the mid-point between the outer crust and the inner crust.

At least Abner Perry agrees with me.

One of the "big secrets" of the Space: 1889 universe might have been that al planets/moons are hollow. We (GDW) were discussing that, anyway.

Loren Wiseman
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Now if Earth wasn't hollow but contained the best holiday resort in the Universe, then you might have something.

It doesn't need to be a resort. For all we know it's just a storage bin. A huge rental locker. A cargo pod.

Which makes us something akin to barnacles, or mold.

Every saucer that flys in probably looks at the surface and says "man, someone really needs to clean this thing."

"A huge locker."

ACK!!!

You mean the Earth's full of smell socks and jock staps?!?!?

"Which makes us something akin to barnacles, or mold."

Yep. I agree with you here. I personally know some of that mold.

"As far as gravity is concerned, we could be outside a hollow Earth as long as we were seriously mistaken about its density."

I'm not sure that's true; we'd be much closer to the gravity producing mass, and the differences between the gravitational pull at the surface and above the surface would more noticeable.

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Look at this picture. It shows the earth is not hollow. Why even ask this?

Actually the Earth has a chewey Caramel center.

According to quantum theory, the center of the earth is in a great big, huge, indeterminate wave state without an observer. Until an observer comes along and causes a wave collapse, it is nothing but another unknown potentiality amonst an infinite number of unknowns knowns-(That is a Rumsfeld quote). Of course, some extradimensional being may be observing the center of the earth right at this very moment. The wave may have already begun collapsing into a new gaping, gulping black hole-with severe consequences to any surface inhabitants unfortunate to be around at this time in history…or not.

However it is really unimportant as life is nothing but a dream experienced by non-dimensional, timeless and eternal beings (us)……..so none of it really matters anyway.

I get regular e-mails about the upcoming Hollow Earth Expedition. If anyone wants to go, here's the intro text from the latest update. I emphasize that I am not going, but if information comes in an e-mail, it must be legit, right?

Hollow Earth List Members:

On August 8, 2009, I received this update from our expedition leader of
the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition, Dr. Brooks Agnew:

Call to action. The window for the North Pole Inner Expedition has arrived. We must marshal our resources and launch the voyage. Last year we had an idea that we could approach a larger charter company and get a 500-passenger ship to bring more people to the Arctic region to explore for the legendary opening. That plan did not work, as the Russian government would not allow any ships to sail north of the Siberian Islands. Only Russian ships can sail north of the 81st parallel. We are heading for the 86th parallel.

We also have noticed a horrendous collapse in the global economy, so investors are not backing great adventures like they do when times are good. So, here is the plan. We have a widget. That is a special little micro-site. Go to facebook.com/npiee.org and get the widget. Click SHARE and place it on your Facebook Profile page. It's simple and effective and free.

Please do this today.

Once the charter funds are accumulated, we will immediately book the ship. We will then begin the process of developing the crew of 100 passengers from the thousands of applications we have received. We cannot rely on governments. We must not rely upon investors. This is the people's voyage. We want you to be a part of history, and we promise we will bring back all the data and stream live from the ship.

Here are a few things to reassure you we do not have much time. It doesn't matter if you're wealthy or not. This is going to affect you. Help the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition immediately by following the instructions above.

Dr. Brooks Agnew

ACK!!!!

The truth is OUT!!!!

Photographic evidence…

BEHOLD!!!!!
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Could we explain away the gravity problems with "Dark Matter?" You know, like they do to explain away all the holes in current models of the cosmos?

I've stumbled on a conundrum and possibly a good idea for a book…

Covert Walrus (2008) says:
And Andygamer, just to shatter your Gorean dreams ( and those of some acquaintances ), if there was a counter-Earth in our orbit, we would never SEE it, but it would be detectable by it's gravitational effect upon the other planets in the solar system. And we don't.

But

As Parzifal (2008) says:
If we were outside a hollow Earth, the gravitational attraction of the Earth would not be as significant as it is now; it would be less than the gravitational attraction on the Moon! (For that matter, the Moon would not be in orbit, nor would anything else.)

So the Earth isn't hollow, but counter earth is! That's why we can't detect it! Clearly all pulp adventures take place on this alternate earth and if we were to go there we would get beaten up for being puny.

There's a lot of talk about gravity in this thread, but interestingly, none about electromagnetism. Also, no rationale given for the way that earthquake waves spread. Both attributable to the earth having a dense liquid core, with a solid iron core inside that.

(I can't look at those videos to see if these concepts are described in them, as my place of business has quite sensibly blocked access to youtube).

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Cacique Caribe,
I just got back to this thread and saw your reply. Yes, that was the Site for the Graboids.
Thank you kindly,
Count Natokina.

I know that this is a HUGE logical fallacy, but I think that the biggest proof that the world is NOT hollow is the lack of evidence. Yes, I am fully aware that proving a negative is a very shaky basis for one's argument, but in this case I think it works. Hollow-earth advocates claim that there are two giant holes at the poles, well, where are they? Surely holes that big would be noticed. Yet even after countless sonar surveys of the bottom of the Artic Ocean not a single hole turned up.

Additionally, I honestly believe that the entire Hollow Earth movement is nothing but an over-blown Orson Welles War of the World "hysteria." Some people actually thought that Jules Verne's book was based on a real diary and believed it to be true. I think that some people since then have perpetuated this belief and it has found advocates and beleivers throughout the ages. Toss in some psuedo-science and it becomes very believable to some people.

Besides, everyone just knows that we are on a disc carried on the backs of four giant elephants that stand on the back of a giant turtle that swims throuhg the universe.

I know the earth is hollow because I have seen the movie. although the giant turtle idea does seem to has some merit as well.

Warrenss2, cool pictures, but the elephants are missing in the second one.

I know the earth is hollow because I have seen the movie. although the giant turtle idea does seem to has some merit as well.

If you like fantasy check out the Ring World Series. I find them to be fairly humorous and fun read.

"Ringworld" is humorous and fun fantasy?

Perhaps you mean "Discworld"?

No, but there is a former president whom I suspect endures this condition.

Strangely enough, perhaps the world isn't "hollow" as Completely hollow per se, but what about parts of it being hollow…Anyone who has ever travelled to Carlsbad Caverns can get an idea of what I am talking about…After over 80 years of exploring the caverns they still admit that they haven't explored the entire thing completely and there are "probably branches and extending passages" running miles, plus lower undiscovered levels.

Makes ya wonder doesn't it?

Could we explain away the gravity problems with "Dark Matter?" You know, like they do to explain away all the holes in current models of the cosmos?

Yeps..because we know that human science is always correct in every aspect.

sorry

Are you suggesting that Edgar Rice Burroughs made it all up? So where do the Nazis have their flying saucer base?

sjpatejak,
It's under the……ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Weaselhoffen.

" So where do the Nazis have their flying saucer base?"

The Moon, of course.

ironsky.net.

The finest pseudo-scientific minds on the planet can't even agree on the confectionery centre type?

Captain Beefheart insists on chewy caramel
Security Minister Critter 1 claims chewy nougat
Buck Eye Bob describes a chewy tootsie roll.

The only thing these savants agree upon is that it's "chewy".
Possibly a chewy caramel nougat tootsie roll?

My observations, based on an evening alone at home with several bottles of claret, indicate conclusively that the centre is solid Rocky Road.

Murph,
Being a screaming claustrophobe, I try to avoid caverns.
Weaselhoffen.

After years since posting the original post, I am forming an expedition to the North Polar opening to find out once and for all.

Anyone wanting to join and/or sponsor this quest for knowledge and adventure please send the funds to me… CASH ONLY!! No checks, money orders, or credit cards!

In small unmarked bills, perhaps?

:)

;-)

If I remember rightly the US Senate did discuss funding and expedition to look for trhe hole. They decided not to of course, or at least that's the official story

Caption:
"You all know the drill, right? If you must reveal yourselves at all, make sure it is only to 'Rednecks'. That way no one will believe them and suspect we've been living right beneath their feet for these last 65 million years."

Dan
PS. "The US Senate did discuss funding an expedition to look for the hole". That just cracks me up, pun intended. :)

At a certain point as you go farther in, centrifical force would hold you against the inside.

Yep. They would be flat as pancakes.

Dan

According to the duck, it's hollow.

I'm not one to argue with ducks.

That would just be crazy.

Some places yes and some places no.

The earth is hollow, and some one has been there, Richard S. Shaver. You can find the complete Shaver mystery here link
As proof, you need look no further then the people who deny the reality of the hollow earth. These people are all being targeted by detrimental energy rays.