
"Principality of Antioch - Vassels" Topic
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| TheGoldyGopher | 31 May 2008 4:34 p.m. PST |
I am working on an Principality of Antioch army for the era around the Third Crusade and I am looking for the heraldy of the "Lords of Saone" including the cities of Samarda and Balatones but seem to have stumped myself. Can someone suggest a good source for this obscure information. Many Thanks in advance. |
aecurtis  | 31 May 2008 5:00 p.m. PST |
Was there anyone actually claiming the title of that fief after the fortress of Saone (or Sahyun, now known asQ al'at Salah-al-Din), named after the first of the line, was taken by the sultan in 1188? In any case, there's no mention of any heraldry for Robert of Saone or his successors in my references. Allen |
| Knight Templar | 31 May 2008 5:34 p.m. PST |
"Heraldry" doesn't really exist for another half a century. In the 12th century, motifs that lead later to heraldic devices were often used by these early ancestors of the later nobility. But even king Richard's device was a simple, fairly crude three gold lions on a red field. Period art shows simple devices or mostly plain shields. I don't doubt that Saone's lord had a device, but we aren't going to know what it was unless we are lucky to possess a picture or written description that has survived. |
aecurtis  | 31 May 2008 5:39 p.m. PST |
"But even king Richard's device was a simple, fairly crude three gold lions on a red field." And was variable (John the OFM was looking for that not long ago
). Quite right on the timeframe. Allen |
| Swampster | 02 Jun 2008 11:55 p.m. PST |
Yes, heraldry in the Third Crusade was still a developing science and most knights around that time would not have had a blazon in today's terms. Also, I think there is a comment on Early blazon link that the known heraldry of Outremer is very patchy, with even many of the great families not known. |
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