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Erwin Muilwijk12 May 2008 1:11 a.m. PST

What would have been the colours of the turkopoles dress, who fought for the Teutonic Order? Can it be any colour, like men from Lithuanian tribes?

Phillius12 May 2008 2:04 a.m. PST

According to the WRG publicaction "Armies fo the Middle Ages, volume 2", white jupon with a plain black cross, for those of a Germanic origin. Those of a local origin, Prussian, Lithuanian, etc, would be dressed as peasants anywhere.
I believe I have also read that the sergeants wore a grey jupon instead of white, but I can't remember where….

royaleddy12 May 2008 2:10 a.m. PST

i believe sergeants wore a grey top with a black tau (like a capital letter T)

Stosstruppen12 May 2008 7:00 a.m. PST

According to Osprey sergeants did wear grey with the Tau markings. Only the Brother knights wore the white with the cross.

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 May 2008 7:56 a.m. PST

Turkopolen were allied light cavalry. They wore whatever they wanted and had no uniforms. They may or may not had Teutonic white shield with black cross. They had equipment like helmets and armor supplied by Teutonic order or they could have their own equipment.

Sergeants were different troop type, not a light cavalry but a medium, less heavily armored than knights. Sometimes they fought in their own formations, sometimes they were back ranks of knight formations.

Knight Templar12 May 2008 11:18 a.m. PST

Grey because they weren't knights.

Knight Templar12 May 2008 11:19 a.m. PST

Turkopolen? Did they go around fertilizing Turk chicks or what?

John Bianchi12 May 2008 12:26 p.m. PST

Come, come, sir. As a Templar you should know that turkopolen means "sons of Turks". After a few generations, the term stuck, but it was devoid of meaning, as most turkopolen were no longer in any way related to Turks.

Igor is right – no cross. Only Ritterbruder could wear white with black cross. Sergeants grey with black tau. Crusaders and other local supporting knights in their own heraldry and turkopolen in whatever clothes and armor they could get. Contrary to what we see in movies and in paintings, the vast majority of the order's armies would not have been wearing white with black cross – only the core of the army would look that way.

Wow, my second pedantic post of the day.

Knight Templar12 May 2008 5:58 p.m. PST

I always called them Turcopoles myself. A more antiquated form might also be Turcopoli?

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 May 2008 6:35 p.m. PST

Turkopolen – German version. Turcopoles – English version. Turkopoloi – Greek (Byzantine) version.

IGWARG1 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian12 May 2008 6:39 p.m. PST

Just like John Bianchi said – in time, any light cavalry that fought in loose order as suppose to Brother knighs (Ritterbruder) and sergeants were called Turkopolen by Teutonics. Tartar or Mongol allies, Lituanian or Prussian cavalry, perhaps even mounted crosbowmen were called that.

Knight Templar13 May 2008 10:30 a.m. PST

"Turkopolen – German version. Turcopoles – English version. Turkopoloi – Greek (Byzantine) version."

But ahm a'French, you stupid English knnnniget." Got a version for me? (as I said, I dropped out in the first grade to go on Crusade)

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