| pessa00 | 09 May 2008 11:33 p.m. PST |
Hi all, I discovered a very cool little force of mixed Bavarians and Austians from the end of 1813. As a painter this enthused me, until I was brought up short by the annyong issue of history (heh)… By 1813, the Bavarians had lost the cool helmet in favour of the boring old shako hadn't they?? |
| bruntonboy | 10 May 2008 2:19 a.m. PST |
No, don't think so….they still wore a version of it in 1870. |
| pessa00 | 10 May 2008 3:47 a.m. PST |
really! are you sure? I was certain they had given it up I just couldn't find the source of the original info I had found. Well, if that's true it could be a good little force to do up! Interesting. Cheers. |
| von Winterfeldt | 10 May 2008 4:41 a.m. PST |
they still wore the embarassing top heavy helmet, those poor fellows in the line infantry. |
| Fat Wally | 10 May 2008 5:28 a.m. PST |
From memory though some Bavarian light battalions may have worn a shako but generally the Raupenhelm was still worn by the vast majority of infantry. |
| weissenwolf | 10 May 2008 6:39 a.m. PST |
it was the bavarian militia/landwehr i bet you saw. they wore a shako akin to an austrian one and a single breasted coat like the austrian one. there are also lots of them in wredes corps. the more i think on it i am sure that is your answer. the line and cav continued that helmet ad infinitum on in the century. Les |
| Stosstruppen | 10 May 2008 8:38 a.m. PST |
If memory serves they fought with the Austrians at Hanau as the French were retreating from Liepzig. Pretty much were handed their rears but it would be an interesting game. They still had the big helms..better than a boring ol shako anyday |
| Artilleryman | 10 May 2008 11:46 a.m. PST |
As has been said, the Raupenhelm carried on in one form or another until at least 1870. A number of 'freiwillige' (volunteer) units were formed by the Bavarians from 1808 onwards. To save money, many were dressed in an Austrian style shako which continued to appear until the end of the Napoleonic Wars and was continued with some uniforms after that. The short hand is that the regular infantry carried on with the Raupenhelm while the volunteers and militia tended to get the shako. |
| pessa00 | 10 May 2008 2:56 p.m. PST |
Many thanks everyone. I wonder if where I am getting my wires crossed is I confused the situation with the Wurtembergers, which I am pretty sure had given up thier own version of the helmet by 1813! I have been weighting-up jumping back into naps for a while, I know I am doing allied in 1813, now I just need to decide between Wrede or a good old solid Prussian corp (its one extreme or the other with me!) |
| weissenwolf | 11 May 2008 8:57 a.m. PST |
well remember what napoleon said about wrede..''i could make hin a count not a general''. lol but it is a nice corps just mismanaged for hanau. second prussian corps is a nice one with the 3 regiments of kurassiers etc. fought with the army of bohemia. but i am an austrian so just looked for a balanced corps. |
| pessa00 | 11 May 2008 2:06 p.m. PST |
Agreed. One of the problems I had with doing Prussians is that I can't seem to decide between Bulow and Kliest's corp so I thought Wrede would perhaps be a 'third way.' It takes me long time to do up a corp of the stunning AB 15s, so I try and take my time and make the right choice early in the process.. all part of the fun though! |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 12 May 2008 1:41 p.m. PST |
Sometimes the planning and the research that goes into a project is the best part. Good luck on your army building. |
| Supercilius Maximus | 14 May 2008 1:48 a.m. PST |
[well remember what napoleon said about wrede..''i could make hin a count not a general''.] Interesting "volte face" by l'Empereur, after his prasise of Wrede's action at Wagram, when the Bavarians succeeded where MacDonald had failed. |
returns to Flintloque to paint an Ogre.
