"Who IS this Prussian?! " Topic
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| pessa00 | 06 May 2008 11:49 p.m. PST |
Hi all. Does anyone know for certain who the fellow in the picture below is? The guy at the back row in the centre with the white uniform and the black fusilier mitre. picture Would he be from a fri-light cav regiment perhaps? If so which one? Cheers for any help everyone. |
| olicana | 07 May 2008 1:41 a.m. PST |
Possably an officer. If memory serves, and my German translation is not wrong (which it easily could be), officers sometimes substituted the mirliton with a kolpak in some regiments. |
| pessa00 | 07 May 2008 1:49 a.m. PST |
Um, bit confised by this response? The guy I am interested in is not wearing a mirliton or a kolpack? It's the fellow in the centre back row in the black mitre helmet wearing the white unform with red facings… |
| Mollinary | 07 May 2008 2:02 a.m. PST |
I am pretty sure he is a member of the Grenadier zu Pferde Regt von der Schulenburg. This Horse Grenadier regiment was broken up into two normal dragoon regiments (it was originally 10 squadrons strong)after an embarrasing incident when the squadrons (two I think) escorting Frederick were routed by Austrian Hussars and Frederick nearly captured. This occurred during the Silesian War. The regiment fought in this uniform at Mollwitz, and suffered pretty heavily. White was the standard Prussian dragoon uniform colour until, I think, changed to cornflower blue in 1745. Sorry for the "thinks" but I have none of my sources with me! When Frederick removed their "horse grenadier" title he also removed their mitres. Being Frederick, very much a "waste not, want not" sort of guy, he re-used them for one of his new infantry fusiler regiments (41 or 42 I seem to remember). This nugget comes from Bleckwenn's four volume booklet on uniforms of the army of Frederick the Great. Cheers Andrew alias Mollinary, alias Gablenz, alias Steinmetz (a theme emerging there do you think??) |
| olicana | 07 May 2008 2:27 a.m. PST |
Sorry, didn't read your post properly. Silly me. |
| pessa00 | 07 May 2008 3:25 a.m. PST |
No worries olicana. Thanks for that mollinary, that's some great info! I am tempted to do a war of WAS Prussian army instead of a 7YW army just to get this unique unit in! |
| Mapleleaf | 07 May 2008 3:50 a.m. PST |
Mollinary is correct it's the Regt von der Schulenburg and is on Knotel's set Band IX Card # 1 He dates the figure as 1729 |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 07 May 2008 9:06 a.m. PST |
Yes, Mollinary is correct. The disgraceful action occurred at Baumgarten in February 1741. The regiment was also known at Dragoon Regiment No. 3. The dragoons converted to blue coats in 1745, but my guess is that there was not an immediate exchange of the old uniforms for the new ones. Knoetel did a drawing of Bayreuth dragoons parading all of their captured flags (from Hohenfriedberg – 1745)before Frederick and he depicts them in the white coat. I can't opine on whether Knotel's interpretation is the correct one, but he knew more about it than I ever would, so I might defer to his opinion on this one. |
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