"bring back scale boards?" Topic

would you like the scale boards Back

Yes very much

No way.

Nope- consolidated is better.

No

Nope!

se

nope

No.

Still too many boards as it is.

No.

Except for 15mm is there another scale?

No.
No other boards get special treatment, why should WW2?

No

Yet another in the inexorable tide of "NOs"!

Nay.

Ugh. No. No. No.

No. Glad they are gone.

No

Ken

You must be joking!

No, definitely no.

Nein.

No.

Never

Can I vote twice?

In the immortal words of Charles De Gaulle, "Non".

Yes!

Just kidding.

Yes

no

Yup. The volume of traffic on the WWII board makes it useful to be able to easily search by scale interests.

YES.

Yes. It seems to me that there's a lot of odd bad attitude regarding this issue. If you don't game WWII, why would you care if there are scale boards -- which were originally created at the request of WW2 gamers!!! If the Nappy Nuts petition Bill to add some extra variants of their genre to the Nappy boards, why would I care?? Is this creating a burdensome maintenance issue for Bill and he must consolidate? What's the urge to punish the WW2 gamers on this issue?

If you want a new board you should petition our advertising overlords. Although some hold they have only the power to destroy boards, not create them.

LLC aka Ron

YES !

I am very sad about the closing. I am loosing my interst in a foremost daily visited Forum. I get thick of scanning through to much for me uninteresting articles just to find the posts I used to read and answer.

Bring back the old structure please.

Ok, this is a yes and a no.

Yes if they are all period inclusive, i.e. a general 6mm board where everyone interested in that size miniature be included, like the terrain/scenics boards.

No, if they are going to be a subset of every period, that adds way to many places for there to be little or no discussion.

Yes, please bring back a section devoted to 20mm.

- George

Yes.

Yes. It seems to me that there's a lot of odd bad attitude regarding this issue. If you don't game WWII, why would you care if there are scale boards -- which were originally created at the request of WW2 gamers!!! If the Nappy Nuts petition Bill to add some extra variants of their genre to the Nappy boards, why would I care?? Is this creating a burdensome maintenance issue for Bill and he must consolidate? What's the urge to punish the WW2 gamers on this issue?

Punished? By what tortured definition of the word "punish" do you arrive at that conclusion?

I am a 15mm WW2 player, and I found the scale boards less than useful, in fact downright annoying.

I didn't like the scale boards for WW2 despite being a WW2 gamer in 2 scales. The vast majority of my questions and reasons for posting otherwise are not scale specific, I would guess less than 5%. What I found was that once the scale boards were introduced, it was far more hassle to follow threads, and harder to get helpful answers. Separating by scale noticably reduced the utility and my enjoyment of TMP. Since there are scale specific Yahoo or similar groups, I found TMP's scale specific boards to be redundant and less useful. I'd rather there be no separation, but clearly if there is going to be, separation by theatre would serve my interests far better than by scale. In the end though, I think Bill should do what serves the greatest number of members.

"In the end though, I think Bill should do what serves the greatest number of members."

Why? What "greatest number" is served by generalizing the WW2 section of the board, which many go to but most do not?? This entire hobby is a subset of subsets. Some love 1/1200 Napoleonic fighting sail, some get jazzed about Chaos Marines, while others jones out about their Old West games. In aggregate you may have a decent sized hobby, but it's so diverse that I see no reason why the information available to each interest area should not be served up in different ways.

"What I found was that once the scale boards were introduced, it was far more hassle to follow threads, and harder to get helpful answers."

I found it to be just the opposite. I found that once the scale boards were created I could much more easily find and follow scale specific topics that were otherwise buried in the general post set, and, the threads had more longevity.

No.

Those who are calling for the scale boards back just don't seem to get what was happening with respect to ridiculously misplaced posts. The more specialized choices are the more people will make mistakes and different interpretations, the more diluted the effects of specialization are.

It's a concept in polling and questionnaires, it's a concept in data management.

My experience since 1988 with people in situations outside of TMP who demand specialized choices, is that such people tend to be personally very organized. Unfortunately, the majority of humanity out there is not super organized and thus the result I describe above with more choices, more mistakes or different interpretations.

Example – should mechanics of Flames of War rules be discussed on a 15mm board or a general WWII board?
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Tim

Hi Gamer X

Regarding serving the greatest number, is not the purpose of the site to serve us such that we come back? If so, serving the greatest number having interest in any particular area would be favorable. In any event, I would not expect Bill to serve my interests if I am in the minority, as I often tend to be.

Regarding the utility of scale specific boards, I find that scale related question make up a very small portion of my questions for any of my periods of interest, and with WW2, an even smaller proportion of my questions are scale related than with most of my other periods of interest. Most of mine relate to history, painting, TO&Es, and scenarios,; probably in greater than a 100 to one ratio. So scale separation is not an issue for me. Since some non-scale questions and many non-scale dependent answers occur on scale specific boards, I had to do a do a lot more work to follow topics more than a few days old, thus it did not serve me well.

And I guess I'd have to ask, why separate by scale, as opposed to theatre, rules, scope, etc. Each is a subset, and if scale is worthy of separation, why not the others subsets?

Why were the boards separated in the first place? I'm just curious, was it poll, or some other event?

No

Is it really that much trouble to put '6mm' or '15mm' in the post title? Just the same way we might put 'Eastern Front', 'France 1940', 'Tank vs AT', 'Battle of Kursk' etc in the post title to indicate what it is we are talking about.

Never mind scale, I demand that the WW2 boards are broken down by year. I don't play 1939 or 1943 much, why should I wade through all those posts which are nothing to do with the years I'm interested in?

NO

Yes the sooner the better.

Ditto Bird, Irishserb and Martin make good points about
divisions based on theater, period within WW2, etc.

However, IMO if we were going to have just one subdivision
within the WW2 board, it should be scale. I would think
that the many more WW2 gamers limit themselves to one
scale than those who do so for just one theater or period.
But I have no data to support that contention.

But it appears that opinion in this thread is running
about 2 to 1 in opposition to scale boards, so perhaps
the majority is indeed against them. It is obvious
that a change by the editor won't without a majority, so
perhaps it is time to move on. However my lament about
this thread is there are somr negative votes from names
I rarely, if ever, see on the WW2 board and this is
exactly the reason thread or poll of this type should
have been conducted there.

"Example – should mechanics of Flames of War rules be discussed on a 15mm board or a general WWII board?"

--that would be the WWII Rules board.

We didn't need fewer boards, just another WWII moderator to put the posts in the correct sub-board, change topic spelling, etc…the real easy stuff.

I would probably say Yes, but I'm mixed…since the change I don't go to the WWII Discussion board at all anymore (too much clutter). So if a WWII topic is not on the TMP home page, I don't go to it. The benefit is that I've got more time to look at other period boards or paint more.

"However my lament about this thread is there are somr negative votes from names I rarely, if ever, see on the WW2 board and this is exactly the reason thread or poll of this type should have been conducted there."

Yep. Be interesting to see if people, given all these changes, spend less or more time on TMP now.

So our vote only counts if we actually post on WW II boards that YOU see? I read the WW II boards all the time but don't often post there. Why should that make my vote count any less than yours? Piffle.

Nazrat,

No. The point I was making was if we had a poll on the WWII board, we're more likely to get a representive vote from
those directly affected by this question, as opposed to
the general TMP membership.

But I think you knew that already. Let me make another
point. To my suprise, there seem to be quite divisive
feelings on this issue. This debate, however it ends, will
nonetheless end shortly. If any animosity between members developes over this issue, then those of us who have been angered will have to decide whether to continue to avail ourselves with the utility of associating with this little community, coming here with ill feelings towards certain others, or sulk off into the darkness.

I don't see how any of us benefits in the slightest by losing a single individual who frequents the WW2 boards,
or by having ill will among us.

We may be divided on this issue, but we are all bound by
a common interest. And we've all seen internet message
board disputes sprial into raging flame wars, and they
often start with the slightest sarcasm. Lets not let that
happen here. When someone tries to make a point with
which you don't like or agree, lets try to be civil and respectful, rather than trying to contort the meaning of their post into something absurd and indefensible.

For me, the question of scale boards, to be or not to be, is a minor one and not worth incurring any animosity.

No. I'm a lumper not a splitter.

Oh Yes, and Yes.

And crosspost this to the ww2 board???????

or is that not something considered desirable?