"AWI 28mm Loyalist Flags" Topic

Just a question to everyone who does 25/28mm AWI.What do you use for your Layalist units as far as flags go?? I'm a stickler for historical correctness,and am about to paint a couple Loyalist regiments for my 1777 Clintons Army at Ft. Clinton/Montgomery.And I'm going to need a couple sets of colors for my 2 Loyalist regiments.
All help is greatly appreciated.

Bob

There is not a great variety of colors available from my usual sources. GMB do the Queen's Rangers (WIB26)and Royal Highland Emigrants/84th Foot (WIB36). This link is to MSC, although they no longer carry GMB . . .
link

Vaubanner Graphics do all the British Line Regiments, (and the 84th) but no Provincial or Loyalist units . . .
link

The 'Flag Dude' has a listing at TM Terrain in the UK, and while he has a great range, again only the Queen's Rangers and the 84th. . . .
tmterrain.com

Warflag (Ian Croxall) has downloadable flags for the Queen's Rangers and Butler's Rangers, as well as some generics:
link

The Danish Krigsspil Wargaming site has speculative flags for the King's American Regiment (who were at the capture of Forts Clinton and Montgomery in 1777), the King's Loyal New York Regiment, and the 'Roman Catholic Volunteers Regiment', as well as the Queen's Rangers and Butler's:
link

If you come across any additional sources, I would be very interested as well. Hope this starts you off!

Steve

If you were not already aware, there is quite a lot of information about the Provincial and Loyalist AWI units at the Loyalist Institute website:
link

There is useful background information on all the better known formations, and a very good set of links, but nothing on the more obscure colors that I have found so far.

Steve

Warflag (Ian Croxall) has downloadable flags for the Queen's Rangers and Butler's Rangers, as well as some generics:

And, the Butler's Rangers flag is total nonsense.
I seem to rant on this at least once every three months or so.
It is derived from a guess in a book published in 1975.
For a picture of an ACTUAL SURVIVING SPECIMEN of the Butler's Rangers flag:
link

Note that it follows EXACTLY the rules for a flag with red facings.

Loyalists were "more British than the British", and would always try to follow the Warrant as regards flags. That is, the Uion for the King's colours, and a field in the facings color with the Union in the upper staff position, with wreaths, crests or symbols, etc. in the middle.
White, red and black facing regiments would have a red cross on a white or black field.

So, if you have a Loyalist regiment with blue facings, it would have the two Colours, one with a blue field, etc.

And, the Butler's Rangers flag is total nonsense.
I seem to rant on this at least once every three months or so.
It is derived from a guess in a book published in 1975.
For a picture of an ACTUAL SURVIVING SPECIMEN of the Butler's Rangers flag:
link

Note that it follows EXACTLY the rules for a flag with red facings
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Ahh yes,but recent evidence finds that Butlers wore WHITE facings! And also NEVER wore those silly brass fronted caps that Lefferts and Mollo show in their books.

I've seen all of the above sites and sources,I was just hoping I may have missed something along the line.
I may just go with GMB,and try to "hide" the unit designation in the center of the flags.
Thanks guys!

Bob

Bob
The flag I linked to was in storage at West Point, brought back as a souvenir from one of the American invasions, err … "fact finding tours"… of Canada in the War of 1812.
It's a King's colour, so the facings don't enter into it.

Note the "homespun" look, with the arms and saltires not lining up. I like that, and I wish someone would make a flag like that.

Flags for the Lads have a few Loyalist sheets too. Caveat emptor.

Flags for the Lads have a few Loyalist sheets too. Caveat emptor.
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Yes,I own them as well,but none are for the units I require.

Next,Loyalist buttonhole lace…..

Bob

Most of the surviving flags (or those whose details have been recorded) belong to Loyalist units that either moved onto the Regular Establishment at some time during or just after the war, or who went to Canada and became part of the "local" defence forces.

Bear in mind that many Regular units did not carry their colours into the field (for various reasons), so quite possibly many Loyalist units would not have done so either.

I think the only Loyalist units at the capture of the two Highland forts were the Loyal Americans and Emmerich's jaegers (the light company of the former appears to have served with Emmerich's on several occasions, probably including this mini-campaign). In case you aren't aware of it, there is a re-enactment site here:

loyalamericanregiment.org

Interestingly, this unit appears to have worn red facings when they were supposed to have white, and not adopted the red uniform until 1780. (BTW, units with red and white facings would have had exactly the same style of regimental colour, so the point about Butler's above is moot.)

Selection from the Flag Dude is not limited to his stock listing. If you have artwork, or a reasonable description of a flag, he will cheerfully make it up for you.

Rick

By the way, I would be interested in the new evidence about Butler's rangers having white facings rather than red. Do you have a link?

By the way, I would be interested in the new evidence about Butler's rangers having white facings rather than red. Do you have a link?
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Its on Troiani's image bank site.I belong to a AWI reenactor Yahoo group,and that was a hot topic for awhile about 6 months ago.Author and AWI expert James Kochan uncovered some new info not too long ago in Canada I believe.And Don Troiani is good friends with Jim.

Bob