| Erbprinz | 02 May 2008 5:37 p.m. PST |
No, it's not the police motto here. I have always used floor stain to dip my wargame figs. It gives them a lot of protection and their final shading. Yes, it's the miracle dip. Now for 'gamer quality' figs, it's totally fine, and I have figs that are ten years on the table without any noticable wearing. But it does make them a bit shiny despite the dullcoat spray I use after the dip. But for a 'premium paint job' figure that I still want to game with, I am not so keen on dipping. I want the armor shiny and the clothes matt/clothe, etc, but I still want the protection. I've no problem brushing something on, but what are your recommendations for a precision final coating that will protect the paint job without altering the way the figure's shading, color, etc look? Thanks for you thoughts in advance.
'Erb |
| Erbprinz | 02 May 2008 5:42 p.m. PST |
I should add that I've had problems finding final coats that are flat – even most matt finishes still look a bit shiny/glossy, and I don't want that for clothing. |
| dbf1676 | 02 May 2008 5:45 p.m. PST |
Try Vajello matte varnish for the cloth parts. |
| Boduognat | 02 May 2008 6:08 p.m. PST |
One mans matte is another mans satin. After trying out about ten different acrylic varnishes I came to the conclusion that none of them have a truly matte finish. My 2 cents, acrylic matte is a myth, a fantasy. After that I turned to the varnishes that modellers use. Those varnishes are what I use today, even if these products tend to yellow if you leave them exposed to sunlight to much. I haven't found a truly decent brush on varnish yet, and I'm beginning to think that such product doesn't exist. Boduognat |
Dervel  | 02 May 2008 6:30 p.m. PST |
I use acrylic gloss coat to give a protective coating, and then spray with Testors Dullcote. |
| Erbprinz | 02 May 2008 6:51 p.m. PST |
but does the testors dullcote result in something that is truly, uhm, "Dull"? I'd like something as flat as the paint is originally. When it's a flat, that is of course.
'Erb |
| Erbprinz | 02 May 2008 7:55 p.m. PST |
Ah, how embarrassing, just realized I have Vallejo's:
"72070 Matt Varnish" in the collection. Haven't tried it on anything yet. Any comments from those more knowledgeable? Thanks and thanks again.
'Erb |
| CBPIII | 02 May 2008 9:28 p.m. PST |
Model Master Acryl FM02015 Flat Clear Acryl from Testor's works good for me. It's a brush-on that I got from Hobbytown years ago. I think they have it at Hobby Lobby and most model shops. |
| Dervel | 02 May 2008 9:57 p.m. PST |
I believe the IMO Testors Dullcote is pretty dull, but it gets flatter with additional coats. I have usually found that one to two coats is sufficient. |
| dampfpanzerwagon | 03 May 2008 1:39 a.m. PST |
TRy Artists acrylic matte varnish – there are many paint manufacturers who have one in theur range – I use Calleria, very cheap if bought from the Range groupof stores in the UK. One point – about these varnishes, they need to be fresh and well shaken before using or yu can get a satin finish. Tony
dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com |
bobspruster  | 03 May 2008 3:55 a.m. PST |
I brush-on satin MinWax Polyshades(Tudor color) and top-coat with Testor's dull lacquer the next day. As with any paint product that cleans-up with a solvent other then water, you'll get best results with both products using a natural bristle brush.
Regards,
Bob |
| Garand | 03 May 2008 7:03 a.m. PST |
"My 2 cents, acrylic matte is a myth, a fantasy." Not true. Most manufacturers just don't put in enough dulling agent. For glosscotes I use Future sprayed through my airbrush. Like you I struggled with dullcotes…until I found the best solution. Pick up either more future, and mix in some Tamiya Flat Base (not a dullcote, but a paint dulling agent)or Polly Scale Clear Flat. YOU have the control to determine what is dull or not, YOU can decide how dull you want it by mixing in differing amounts of flat base. For brush on, I use the Polly Scale Clear Flat with a bit of Tamiya Flat Base mixed in to taste. Damon. |
| alizardincrimson2 | 03 May 2008 9:27 a.m. PST |
Model Master Acryl FM02015 Flat Clear Acryl from Testor
I'll second that I use 2 coats of Krylon Crystal Clear 1st then go back with the Acryl on the areas I want matte |
| vutpakdi | 03 May 2008 3:37 p.m. PST |
With the acrylic brush on matte varnishes, the trick is to dilute at least 1:1 and then apply in very thin coats (making sure that the previous coat dries before applying the next one). Ron |
| Boduognat | 03 May 2008 5:10 p.m. PST |
dear Sirs, I tried the Future – Flat Base trick. And immediately found it completely uncontrolable. Heck,IMO, Flat Base should be banned from the wargamers planet. To me, this thing dulls everything, including your wonderful colours. And if you add just a wee bit to much, you get lovely white streaks, ruining your labor. I once thought that Flat Base was THE SOLUTION and believe me,I tried for the optimum mix more then DJ Tiesto would. It just didn't deliver in a consisting way. Nowadays, I really wouldn't recommend using Flat Base to anyone. Future on the other hand is a Godsend and something that every painter should have. There I went again, telling people what they should and shouldn't do. I apologize in advance: if something works for you, then by all means, use it! Boduognat |
| Garand | 03 May 2008 5:24 p.m. PST |
How were you applying the mix? I should add I only apply Future + Flat base with an airbrush. For brush painting a little Polly Scale with a bit of flat base mixed in works utterly perfect… Damon. |
| Erbprinz | 03 May 2008 9:12 p.m. PST |
Yay!
"YOU have the control to determine what is dull or not, YOU can decide how dull you want it by mixing in differing amounts of flat base."
I feel so empowered now…! Never heard of this stuff, but I like the idea of being able to mix in the flat base. Meanwhile, I did try the Vallejo I have on the figure. It leaves a slight shine compared to just the flat, but it's not terribly noticeable. And when people talk about "Future" I assume they mean the floor wax? |
