"Irish Flags added at Project Auldearn 1645 Blog" Topic
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| elcid1099 | 02 May 2008 3:47 p.m. PST |
link Got them up today. Will share all the flags we use in this project. Next unit up will be MacColla's Lifegaurd. |
| 1stJaeger | 02 May 2008 4:20 p.m. PST |
Hi ElCid, just for info: the motto is "Patior ut Vincam"!, which translates roughly into: "I suffer so that I may win". Cheers Romain |
| elcid1099 | 02 May 2008 7:27 p.m. PST |
Thanks Romain. Have updated the blog… |
| 1ngram | 03 May 2008 3:11 a.m. PST |
Although Reid portrays the canton cross on the Irish flags as a St Patrick's cross it is not entirely certain that this was the cross thereon. While such a cross exists in contemporary illustrations it was usually meant to be either a Habsburg ragged cross or a Burke one. Hayes-McCoy in his "Irish Flags" depicts a more usual "Irish" cross at this time as being a maltese cross. It's only a century or so later that the current X cross becomes synonymous with Ireland. |
| morrigan | 03 May 2008 4:55 a.m. PST |
Very nice work elcid! Thanks for posting them! |
| elcid1099 | 03 May 2008 7:53 a.m. PST |
Interesting stuff 1ngram. I wasn't aware of any of that. Where did you get the info that the saltires depicted in contemporary illustrations may have been poorly represented Hapsburg/Burke (Burgundian?) crosses? Does Hayes-McCoy say where he gets the info suggesting the use of a Maltese cross on Irish flags? The Red Saltire, or St Patrick's cross has been in Irish Heraldry since the Middle Ages, but as far as its use as a national emblem, you are right about it being a much more modern (18thC) emblem of Ireland. |
| cameronian | 08 May 2008 1:45 a.m. PST |
elcid, thanks for sharing. I'm especially interested in your blog as I've started the same army in 10mm. My OOB will be: Foot
Irish brigade
Strathbogie
Gordon of Minimore's
Farquharson of Monaltrie's
Graeme of Inchbrakie's
Atholl men
Stewarts
Glencoe MacDonalds
Capt. Grant's company Horse
Gordon's
Blackadder's
Charteris of Arnisfield's |
| 1ngram | 09 May 2008 1:23 a.m. PST |
Chapter Two of Hayes-McCoys book deals with the St Andrews Cross in some detail. Chapter Four deals with the flags of the Kilkenny Confederation whose official flag was a Maltese Cross, even appearing on their coinage. Dig out a copy – its an interesting read. |
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