"AH WAS / VITP / 9 Navies Design factors..?" Topic

Is anyone aware of how the ships in the old Avalon Hill War At Sea and Victory in the Pacific ships values were arrrived at.>? Or the values in Niine Navies War..?

I'm looking to do teh Russo-Japanese War and the Spannish-American war..

Thanks in advance..:-)

In The General Vol 14 #4 was published designer Richard Hamblen's article "Victory in the Pacific – Nuts, Bolts, Philosophy and Design". Hamblen gave several formulae for ship counter design:

Gun Factor
6 9 X 18.1" guns
5 8 or 9 16" guns
4 8 or more 14" or 15" guns
3 6 X 15", 9 to 12 X 12" or 9 X 11" guns
2 6 X 11" guns
1 8" guns and special cases (lesser guns, torpedos)

"The attack bonus was given to ships to reflect unusual accuracy in their surface combat."

Armor Factor
(Old BB) (New BB) (BC)
9 – over 50k -
6 – 45k -
5 40k 35k -
4 30k 27k 45k
3 24k 35k 35k
2 *** 15k including heavy cruisers ***

"Otherwise, armor factors are based on complicated comparisons of armor weight and placement, ship weight and design, damage control practices…"

Speed Factor
8 34.5 knots
7 32.5 knots
6 30 knots
5 27.5 knots
4 25 knots
3 21 knots

In The General Vol 17 #6 was published an article "In Defense of Historical Verity or Pooh On You, Too" by Jim Davis. Davis pointed out that a number of ships in WAS and VITP and in associated game variants had been rated inconsistently with these formulae. Davis corrected the ratings for those ships.

I think I have a General article that discusses that, I'll see if I can find it. You might also check over at the BoardGameGeek entries for those games.

Whoops, I type too slow.

zippyfusenet.. youse a scholar anna gennulmuns..

Many thanks..!!

Jim

There were a BUNCH of AH General Magazine articles for War at Sea, including:

Vol 13/#3 which added variant counters for the Med,
Vol 14/#3 which added the French navy,
Vol 15/#3 which added the Russian navy,

And according to my AH General Index of articles, there were several other articles that added optional rules, and these included other counters as well. The article names do not invoke what sort of counters, but the entry then states V + C which means variant rules + counters.

Volumes that include that sort of entry include:

Vol 14/#4 Victory at Sea
Vol 15/#6 Realistic Victory at Sea

Finally, there is an issue with an article titled The SHips of War at Sea (Vol 16/#3. Wonder if that is a rundown of all the various ships, or just a brief history article.

I have most of these issues (everything from Vol 14/3 until they closed up shop with Vol 32/3). I could pull them if that would help. But if all you wanted was the formula, I think you have that already.

Pity I only just now realized that there were variant counters to WAS in Vol 11/3. I probably would have made an effort to track down Vol 13 back in the day to get them. WAS was/remains a very fun game.

Steve