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11th ACR27 Apr 2008 6:59 p.m. PST

Muslim Prayers?

I am still after all these years working on my rules for Napoleon in
Egypt and the Holy Land.

Here is my Question's:

During the period of 1798 – 1801 how often did Muslim's Pray a day?
And what time did these Prayers happen?
How long did these Prayers last?
Did every thing shut down during there Prayers?

Thanks in advance.

Robert Henry

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick27 Apr 2008 7:29 p.m. PST

It's always been five times a day. Dawn, dusk, and mealtimes.

The prayers themselves are only @ 5 minutes.

Not everybody is (or was) devout – neither then nor now. Not all Muslims pray 5 times a day. (Half my family is Muslim, and I never saw any of them do all 5.)

Fridays are special – that's when you go to the Mosque in the morning, then there's an evening ceremony before the big family meal. Things do tend to shut down on Fridays.


If we're talking the month of Ramadan, it's different yet again. Because you don't eat during daylight hours, the dawn prayers are pushed back to pre-dawn, so you can get a big breakfast, and the evening prayers are pushed forward into night, so you can get a big dinner.


Remember that Napoleon was in Egypt, Palestine, and Syria, and in all of those places were big Christian communities, too. Perhaps as much as @ 20% of the population.

Steven H Smith27 Apr 2008 11:48 p.m. PST

Senf Spargel mit Blauschimmelsoße, vieliecht? Es Schmecht Sehr Gut! <;^}

Ulenspiegel28 Apr 2008 4:09 a.m. PST

Herr Mustafa, Spargel mit Senf is an insult the German kitchen does not deserve :-)))

Please try Spargel like other cultivated human beings mit Schinken or Sauce Hollandaise, but not Senf! Senf is for Sandwiches, Buletten, Bratwurst…

Ulenspiegel

Oliver Schmidt28 Apr 2008 4:45 a.m. PST

I believe to remember that on campaign, a muslim is not obliged to strictly adhere to the praying hours, as long as he will make good for the missed prayers afterwards.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2008 5:36 a.m. PST

As well, if you are Shia, the prayers are three times a day (as I recall, the morning and evening prayers are maybe ten minutes versus five, but overall not too long)

As noted, the degree of devotion varied – I suspect that, in that time period, prayers were observed very closely in smaller towns/villages, less so in cities

Again, with the exception of Fridays or during Ramadan, not something that would cause a major disruption, and certainly not something a soldier would stop fighting for

50 Dylan CDs and an Icepick28 Apr 2008 5:56 a.m. PST

[Spargel mit Senf is an insult the German kitchen does not deserve :- ]

Mit weißen Spargeln – wie die Deutschen essen (bis zur Kapitulation gekocht) – ist mir Egal. Senf… Käse… Pfeffersoße… Gießbeton… es gibt kein Unterschied.

Wenn die Deutschen lernen, *grünen Spargel* zu essen… Dann werde ich meinen Senf verdrücken.

Ulenspiegel28 Apr 2008 7:57 a.m. PST

Sam Mustafa wrote: "Mit weißen Spargeln – wie die Deutschen essen (bis zur Kapitulation gekocht) "

Thanks god there are regions in Germany and Austria where white asparagus is cooked al dente, so no need to improve the dish with Giesbeton :-)))

Green asparagus is easier to cultivate and therefore more often found in private gardens, but usually cheaper than white.

Ulenspiegel

raylev329 Apr 2008 10:38 a.m. PST

Yeah! And it's fresh spargel season here in Germany. Had a great bowl of spargel soup on Friday night!

Swampster29 Apr 2008 12:41 p.m. PST

Don't mention asparagus to me in a Germanic context! Spent ages trying to find the museum in Wagram to see if it had any battle stuff and all I found for ages was the Museum of Asparagus :(

Last Hussar29 Apr 2008 1:22 p.m. PST

the museum in Wagram to see if it had any battle stuff
Battle asparagus?

Tommiatkins29 Apr 2008 8:15 p.m. PST

If you are wondering if Muslims can be caught napping on the battlefield for prayer, they cant.
Theres a Hadith that states prayers are excused in the midst of fighting.

Stavka29 Apr 2008 8:46 p.m. PST

"I found for ages was the Museum of Asparagus"

Perhaps we got it all wrong, and it should have been named the Battle of Asparagus-Essling.

Lame joke, but as Tommiatkins got here first with the reply I was about to make, I felt I just had to say something…

11th ACR30 Apr 2008 7:50 p.m. PST

Thanks for the help.

I am looking at anything that could hold up or slow down a
Ottoman/Mameluke/Meccan Army in the field or in a Siege.

My one real experience was 6 weeks of combat trackers school in Malaysia in 1986.

During that time I remember the Muslim troops taking those 5 prayer breaks to strip down to there underwear clean up and then take a towel and go out in to the jungle and pray.

For us the non-Muslims we took these breaks to
1. Cook and eat Breakfast.
2. Take a break and cook up some coffee.
3. Cook and eat Lunch.
4. Take a break and cook up some coffee.
5. Make camp, Cook and eat Dinner.

Robert Henry

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