"Perry ACW Western Theatre" Topic

I have loved the pics of the Perry figs produced so far, but I am curious if any TMPers out there know whether the Perry's are as into ACW as they are Rev War? What I mean is in the Rev War line there is, or seemingly will be figures of just about every Rev War soldier on a 1-1 scale. Does anyone think there will be personalities and certain unit types for the Eastern and Western theatres. I have a fondness for the Western Theatre and by that I mean TN, MS, GA, LA, AL, AR(Pea Ridge)not Texas, and the Indian territories. Personally I would love to see command figures like Thomas, Grant, Sherman, Rosecrans, Sheridan, Schofield, and McPherson(North), and Bragg, Hardee, Polk, Cleburne, Cheatham , Hood, and Forrest(South). As far as specific figures how about Wilder's Lightning Brigade, western zouaves, and Forrest's cavalry. What other figures have I left out that anyone would like to see? Again, does anyone think the Perry's will do the ACW in the same detail as the Rev War?

"I am curious if any TMPers out there know whether the Perry's are as into ACW as they are Rev War?"

I have no idea whether they are into the ACW as they seem to be into AWI. The only thing that makes feel they aren't is the level of detail so far in their Foundry figs and now their plastics. I'm only going on what I see, the results. So… I'd think not but that's my guess. If they were REALLY into the ACW their stuff would be much better in historical accuracy… I'm thinkin'.

Avidgamer, could you elaborate on the kind of detail that you believe is missing from the Perry ACW ranges? I'm just curious, that's all. I haven't seen the figures close up so I'm not able to make an assessment in either direction.

Some of things are missing and some are 'gi-normous'… as my teenage daughter might say.

Some of the figures are missing bayonet scabbards but have bayonets attached/fixed. Where do these men put them when they are UNFIXED 99% of a soldier's life? Believe me… they WOULD have had a scabbard or thrown the bayonet away. There is no other place to put it.

Some models are missing cartridge boxes. Huh? Do they keep their rounds in their pockets? No.

Some of the models are missing canteens. Now perhaps in the UK you don't need canteens so they figured 'who needs them? but in North America, during the ACW… if you don't have a canteen you'll be in DEEP do-do REAL quick.

On other models the cartidge boxes are the size of suitcases. Very weird.

Some of the models have haversacks the size of elephant feed bags. These guys must be very hungry.

Some of the models have canteens enough… to pass around to regiments. ;)

If you have seen real ACW equipment or even most repro stuff you'd know it was out of whack. Even their early Foundry models have the same problems so it's not a purely 'plastic sculpting/molding' issue. Again… on their Foundry figs the canteens have straps that go up the to the right shoulder but no strap going around the other side of the body. Is this a weird gravity defying thing in the UK?

To be perfectly fair… MANY sculpts from other companies have issues similar to this. I was just trying to point out that if theye were _really_ into the ACW they wouldn't have made these mistakes.

Hmmm interesting. I got some of their Platics on Sat at Salute. I think that they are great figures especially for gaming. I thought that the Perrys were quite big on ACW but i could be wrong.

Well they may LIKE the ACW but they apparently aren't into details. Hey, that's cool because lots of gamers aren't as well.

I just checked a sprue. All figures have bayonet scabbards except the officer and the drummer/standard bearer. You can also use this figure as a marching soldier, in which case I guess the scabbard is missing. If you use it as a color bearer or drummer, neither of which carried a rifle, there should be no scabbard, I think. On one loading figure, the position of the rifle obscures the area where the scabbard appears on other figures.

Only the officer and one marching figures lack a canteen. In the latter case, I believe it is assumed to be under the blanket roll, which covers part of the haversack.

The canteens, haversacks, and cartidge boxes do vary in size. That said, I don't think the proportions are that bad, but to each his own.

As this is a generic set, there are compromises. I'm hoping there will be a great deal of variety in the metals. I am very excited about this range and have finally taken the plunge into ACW myself.

As for matters of opinion in my post, please note I sell Perry Miniatures.

I agree with Alabama: it would be great to see the Perry's do Western troop types for Mill Springs, Shiloh, Corinth, Murfreesboro, Chattanooga, Vicksburg, Chickamauga, Atlanta, Franklin and Nashville.
Ohio Germans in frock coats and Hardee hats would be nice.
Unlike Alabama, I'd also like to have 1st Colorado and Texans for Glorieta Pass, maybe some scruffy militia types to use as Mormons putting down a rebellion at the stone fort in Utah Territory.
Note: I believe there would be historical grounds for both an Eastern and Western Hood (and maybe Howard, too).
Grelber

Hear! Hear, Grelber! Alabama is indeed a wise man… Perrys lend him an ear!

Well what the Perrys usually do is to bring out a range a bit at a time..The AWI range NOW is huge but when it started it was just the basics…No guns etc…Also on the detail from what I saw they are good and at 30p a pop you can't really complain too much!! I just wish they would bring out AWI plastics!!
Do you know if they are ageofglory??

I don't know. I'm hoping for AWI, but I'm hoping even more for Zulu War. One box of British Infantry in firing line or advancing, one box of zulus attacking with alternate arms for knobkerries or rifles, with the majority armed with assegais. And then metals for all of the supporting troop types and all of the colonial units, so I don't have to use generic horse for all of my favorite ones.

Not all ACW soldiers did carry canteens, read with Hardtach and Coffee and find out about it.
I fully agree about the Western theatre, would be great if it would get full attention.

To satisfy everyone they will need to produce about 500 different castings, and they will likely lose some money on about a third of it. They will ,however, bring in a gazillion for the other 2/3s and we will all be happy, right?? right??

Having talked to Perry's about this when they were over here in New Zealand, they said that some things had to be sacraficed due to the way the metal moulds are made. They cannot do the undercuts and fine detail of a metal miniature as well as they liked. You will also notice that one figure has a slightly lopsided head. To be honest I didn't notice until Michael pointed it out.

Brian
NZ

Yes we want MORE! :)

More is better!

Interesting discussion about what goes on or off of the figure, especially in regard to the technical aspects of the production process.