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Scott Mingus20 Apr 2008 4:55 a.m. PST

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Very, very impressive! A better bookstore, and they are set!

rusty musket20 Apr 2008 5:45 a.m. PST

Ah…maybe some day.

Patrick R20 Apr 2008 5:47 a.m. PST

Hope to get there for Fall In in 2009.

RavenscraftCybernetics20 Apr 2008 6:34 a.m. PST

Has the cyclorama been repaired?
It wasnt open to the public last time I was there.

Cleburne186320 Apr 2008 6:48 a.m. PST

Where is it located in Gettysburg? Is it on the battlefield (I'm kinda hoping its not). Wasn't the old VC where Zieglers's Grove used to be?

Sorry, I've only been there once in 1995. Can't wait to go again with all the new changes!

Stosstruppen20 Apr 2008 7:46 a.m. PST

I am looking forward to returning as well. I have only been once and that was 1998 on our way back to my friends home after Historicon. I would love to spend an entire day there.

evbates20 Apr 2008 8:11 a.m. PST

The Cyclorama will not be open till September and the new Visitor is on Rt. #97 about 1/2 from where it was located before. Just one road over.

Ed

Scott Mingus20 Apr 2008 8:22 a.m. PST

September 27 is the opening day for the new cyclorama / diorama. Some of my friends who are park rangers who have seen it recently say the panels have all been hung, abd work is beginning on the surrounding diorama, which is meant to add some foreground perspective to the cyclorama experience.


As Ed mentioned, the VC / cyclorama is not on the battlefield proper, but rather in the rear area where no combat is known to have taken place (between the Taneytown Road and the Baltimore Pike). Already houses in the vicinity are up for sale, but I understand there are zoning restrictions to keep the tourist traps and restaurants from moving over from Steinwehr.

The old VC (the former Rosensteel Museum) will be razed. Plans are to do the same for the old cyclorama building, but that is not without controversy, as it was designed by Richard Neutra, and his fans and his son are protesting the plans to knock it down.

Scott Mingus20 Apr 2008 9:35 a.m. PST

A few other tidbits of general interest:

The new VC contains an Internet cafe, with free wired service via 6-10 monitors. It was populated with a bunch of kids when I stopped by.

One gallery holds special exhibits that will rotate periodically. The first display is a nice array of soldiers and civilian letters describing their wartime experiences. Some are quite interesting. The full text of each letter can be found on-line.

I did not get a chance to tour the Ford Educational Center (yes, it is sponsored). I understand that the new library services are far, far superior to those of the past library in the old Cyclorama building.

In the basement of the new VC is a climate controlled storage area, where artifacts and relics not on display can be kept without further deterioration.

Milhouse20 Apr 2008 12:37 p.m. PST

Scott,

How much are those houses going for? So tempting….

Scott Mingus20 Apr 2008 12:42 p.m. PST

The houses are free; it's the land under them that is now worth the money… no doubt some commercial venture will try to get around the zoning restrictions over time.

Milhouse20 Apr 2008 1:04 p.m. PST

Given my Greek heritage maybe I could open a diner. Instead of Gen'l Picket's Buffet, I could have Gen'l Sedgwick's Sandwich Shop, or Pettigrews Pizzeria, or Junius Daniels Diner, or even the Iverson Pit-stop.

I know…switch to decaf, Milhouse.

The G Dog Fezian20 Apr 2008 5:18 p.m. PST

Barlow's Bistro?

Howard's Hash House?

Genr'l Stuart's Drive Thru?

I know…switch me to decaf too.

Patrick R21 Apr 2008 3:04 a.m. PST

Sickles' fried chicken legs

aercdr21 Apr 2008 7:42 a.m. PST

Thanks much. I am looking forward to taking my son there after Historicon. Just like my dad took me to the old center and his dad took him.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Supporting Member of TMP21 Apr 2008 8:12 a.m. PST

Scott: thanks for the terrific review. It is a refreshing change from the contrarian rant that was posted a few days ago by another member. All in all, I see the new VC and the subsequent razing of the old VC and Cyclorama building as huge positives for the Gettysburg National Park. I can only imagine how the visual vistas will change once the old structures are razed.

As a member of CWPT and Friends of the National Park of Gettysburg, we continue to raise funds for the purchase of commercial properties that have infringed upon the sacred ground with the hope of returning the properties back to the way they were in 1863. The new VC goes a long way towards accomplishing this goal.

RomanRep21 Apr 2008 10:36 a.m. PST

How in the world does a "for profit" VC, with NONE of the money going towards anything to do with the Battlefield (except going into someone's pocket) go "a long way torwards accomplishing" a goal of purchasing commerical properties and bring it back to the way it looked in 1863??? I have no idea of your point!

ageofglory23 Apr 2008 1:51 p.m. PST

RomanRep,

Doesn't the Gettysburg Foundation run the VC? The following is quoted from their web site:

"The Gettysburg Foundation is a private, nonprofit educational organization working in partnership with the National Park Service to enhance the preservation and understanding of the heritage and lasting significance of Gettysburg."

The site also states that the former Friends of Gettysburg are now part of the foundation. The friends was instrumental in burying the power lines on the Emmittsburg Rd, among other things.

They are listed as a Color Bearer level donor in CWPT's latest Hallowed Ground, by the way, so in any case, not all of their money is lining someone's pockets.

Also, why in the world would they allow you to tour the museum for free if their sole motive was profit? Yes, the movie is $8.00, but you can also view a short film for each day in various locations within the museum for free.

I would encourage people to check out their site and form their own opinions:

gettysburgfoundation.org

Steve Mynes
Age of Glory

RomanRep23 Apr 2008 2:17 p.m. PST

That is indeed what they claim – that they are a non-profit – because they have listed themselves as a "museum" operator or whatever its called – but the bookstore/gift shope is operated by a "Events Network" outfit – which is somehow affliated with them -
See that's the rub – The National Park Service really runs the museum and claims that have the finally say on all matters with the museum and the battlefield – but somehow the Gettysburg Foundation (started by York county, PA contractor, Kinsley is his – he is out of Philly now – he is the same guy who about 9 or 10 years ago wanted to open a "Disney theme park" on the battlefield or near it – that of course got shot down) – so somehow with this guy (and he was NOT the lowest bidder to building this thing!) invented, with help from the Park (the Park meaning the National Park Service) – invented "The Gettysburg Foundation" – as a NON-PROFIT Museum outfit – but what is puzzling is HOW CAN THEY BE A MUSEUM OUTFIT AND GET NON-PROFIT STATUS – when the PARK – is the real overseer of the museum – confusing isn't it??? – Their contract or agreement with the Park, which I admit I have not read, is a unique partnership – never been tried in US history – yes, the park Service has had contracts with private business in the past – but for temporary matters – i.e, building a road or parking lot, etc., but nothing ever as permanent as this –
Then along comes this "Event Network" outfit – THEY RUN THE BOOKSTORE AND GIFT SHOP – and if you don't think its FOR PROFIT – go to Gettysburg and check it out – buy one of the little Lincoln heads on a stick for $8!!! Now how this outfit is reality to the Park and the Gettysburg Foundation is way, way beyond –
And I advise people – do not be fooled by the slick websites or even more so – the NEWS MEDIA – because I am telling you The Park at Gettysburg with the Gettysburg Foundation have completely hoodwinked the media and the public – you'll get almost nothing but praise from the papes and TV – but I have to hand it to the CW News – I believe those people are some of the 1st in the Media to start questioning all of this –
Imagine this – as an employee there – I was forced to sign an agreement that is now part of the "Ethical" behavior for employees to say that I will not say anything bad about the Park Service, the Gettysburg Foundation, or the new VC – now why should I have to do give up my 1st amendment rights if I don't like something (I realize a lot of company's have the same thing) – but don't believe the MEDIA, not yet –
And why would I – who have worked so hard to get to the position I am in – sacriface all that – to make a few lousy posts on some obscure (sorry for that!) website – and have the threat of losing my job – IF I DIDN'T CARE MORE THAN ANYONE WHO POSTS ON HERE!!!!
And I say this – the new Gettysburg VC is worst commericialism ever perpetuated on the Battlefield – there is more than mets the eye going on -
And by the way Steve – you know me quite well – as I buy from you every convention here in the east -

RomanRep23 Apr 2008 2:26 p.m. PST

Okay – I wrote all that off the top of my head – so I made some mistakes that I hope people will excuse – Like this for example:
"Now how this outfit is reality to the Park and the Gettysburg Foundation is way, way beyond" –
I meant "related" too -
Also – there is NO Question that Gettysburg needed a new VC – there is no argument in that – Nor do I argue WHERE that built it – it is off the battlefield proper as the old one was not -
I question the motives, the means and the outcome of how it all was done – and what it will do to Gettysburg in the future – my one hope and it is slim – is that finally a Congressman from AZ (of all states) called a special investigation/audit into the skyrocketing cost – the final report is due in the next few months -
And I CANNOT tell you how hard it has been to deal with the Superintendent – he has ruled with an iron fist and is impossible to deal with – he does whatever he wants, whenever he wants – it is unreal what he does sometimes – and surely he would suspense my license in heart beat if he saw all this

RomanRep23 Apr 2008 2:35 p.m. PST

Sorry to go on – The museum, by the way, is very impressive – but I not so sure about it – they (the Park) call it a "storyline" museum, not a "collections" museum – their theme "Slavery and Civil Rights" – which is all part of our heritage and the Civil War – but I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THE MAJOR THEME of the museum on the battlefield at Gettysbug – it should be the battle – but go to the museum and see the last short film – its all on reconstruction and Civil Rights and --- and other stuff that I can't say or I'd be accused of something else – I am not so sure all that is right – or appropriate and I can tell you this – the Park or certain people at the park wanted it to be worse then it is – but the Foundation stopped it because they thought it would offend people –
I mean this now – I am going to stop – I have said way, way too much – go there – to Gettysburg – in fact if you haven't shame on you – visit Gettysburg it is a great place – but find out the facts below the surface on certain things before you judge – I will say no more

RomanRep23 Apr 2008 2:52 p.m. PST

I lied again – I am not sophisticated enough to put up a link -but this is the last – here is a news article from CW News – the money they say at the end, well a lot of it is "promised" – but this is last from me -

Gettysburg Museum; Visitor Center Opens April 14
By Deborah Fitts

GETTYSBURG, Pa. — After nearly a dozen years in the planning and tens of millions of dollars raised and spent, the new museum and visitor center at Gettysburg National Military Park is slated to open at 8 a.m. on Monday, April 14.

The current visitor center, built in 1921 as a private museum of battlefield relics, will close its doors for the last time on the afternoon of Sunday, April 13.

"Our plan is to make as smooth a transition as possible," said Katie Lawhon, spokesman for Gettysburg National Military Park. "The old visitor center will be open till 5 p.m. on Sunday, and at 8 a.m. on Monday our staff will be greeting visitors" at the new building.

The office staff will be "packed and ready to go" on Friday. "During the weekend we're literally going to hire a moving company to move our stuff," she said.

Compared to the present setup, the new facility will house more of the park staff in one building, including the superintendent and his deputy, the rangers, interpreters, historians and the public affairs office.

The new visitor center lies off Hunt Avenue, two-thirds of a mile distant from the current building. The "soft opening" on the 14th will be without fanfare. The park is planning a "grand opening" Sept. 26-28. The Cyclorama painting, undergoing an $11 USD million restoration, will be the only feature not open to visitors yet; it will open Sept. 26.

In the way of modern museums, the new site will feature an array of interactive and audio-visual presentations aimed at providing visitors a you-are-there feeling. The "storyline" threaded through the 12 exhibit galleries will also be all new, addressing the "causes and consequences" of the war as well as the battle itself.

The galleries comprise 24,000 square feet of space, compared to 21,000 square feet in the current building. The number of items on display will be drastically reduced, however. According to Lawhon the present museum has 6,633 items on exhibit, while the new displays will have 1,338.

In fact, some of the items in the new museum will actually be on loan to the park, sought out to help "fill holes" for the storyline, Lawhon said. No items were purchased for the purpose, she added.

The storyline was developed by a team that included some of the country's best-known Civil War scholars and museum professionals, working with park staffers, notably historian Scott Hartwig.

Among the outside historians were James McPherson, Gary Gallagher, Nina Silber, Eric Foner, Harold Holzer and Gabor Boritt. Among the museum professionals were Olivia Mahoney of the Chicago Historical Society; Robin Reed, formerly of the Museum of the Confederacy and now with Colonial Williamsburg; and Gordon Jones of the Atlanta Historical Society.

The April 14 opening day will include a flag-raising ceremony at 11 a.m. as part of "Old Glory's Journey of Remembrance." In a six-month-long project organized by the White House, a flag flown over the USS Arizona Memorial on Dec. 7, 2007, is traveling to 25 patriotic and historic sites around the country.

Creating A Storyline
McPherson said of the current museum, "There is virtually no storyline. It's an old-fashioned museum that has stuff. There's no over-arching story as a modern museum tries to present."

Further, although several galleries will be devoted to the battle itself, McPherson said the story would stretch well beyond that. "The idea is to place the battle in the larger context of the war and in the context of American history. And my guess is it will be the best in the country."

McPherson expressed surprise, however, when told how many fewer relics will be on display. "That doesn't make any sense to me," he said. "My understanding was that there will be much more room to exhibit the wealth of artifacts that the park owns."

Park Superintendent John Latschar attempted to explain the "numbers" issue.

"What we've got here right now is what is known as a collections museum," Latschar said. "We've got rows and rows of rifles and pistols and cases full of battle debris, and zero story.

"What we're creating is a storyline museum, where you use artifacts to illustrate the storyline. So we have no need for 40 varieties of rifle muskets. We're trying to provide our visitors with a basic understanding of the battle of Gettysburg in the context of the war and in the context of America, so when they get out on the battlefield they know not only who shot what, but what they were shooting about. And we want to tell the story to all ages and all learning levels.

"We're trying to do so much more than just showing endless rows of artifacts."

Lawhon described the current museum as "more of a hodgepodge." A display on the U.S. Colored Troops stands side-by-side with one on the war's navies, and another on music in the war.

"The situation we have right now is a museum that we received lock, stock and barrel from the Rosensteel family" in 1971, Lawhon said. "We made some changes, but it was created literally a couple of generations ago, when the goal was to get as many artifacts out as possible.

"You can walk through that museum and it's hard to learn about the battle. We want to get people out on the battlefield better prepared to learn what happened here."

Lawhon noted that four large cases in the lobby area will hold additional artifacts, including long arms, pistols, artillery projectiles, belt buckles, buttons, insignia and the like.

"We wanted to get out objects from our collections that don't fit the storyline, and many people are interested in these," she explained. The lobby will also have 10 cannon tubes on display.

Lawhon said a Special Exhibits Gallery will use temporary and traveling exhibits to broaden the number of topics covered in the museum. Exhibits will include objects from the park's collection as well as loans from other institutions.

The first exhibit, opening April 14, will be Civil War soldiers' letters from the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History's extensive collection. Objects from the Gettysburg NMP collection will be on display along with the letters.

Also, the gallery describing the action on the third day of battle, July 3, 1863, will have three large cases with "battle debris" from the Rosensteel collection. Lawhon said the cases of artillery shells, shell fragments, bullets and the like are intended to give visitors a sense of "literally the metal in the air" as Confederates moved forward in Pickett's Charge.

‘High-Tech Feel'
Among other features at the new site will be a new 22-minute film, "A New Birth of Freedom," highlighting the sights, sounds and emotions of the battle and its aftermath. It replaces a short film more than four decades old.

Two 150-seat theaters boasting 120-degree wrap-around screens will be available to show the film. "There will definitely be a high-definition, high-tech feel that will be comfortable for our visitors," Lawhon said.

A refreshment "saloon" will offer typical "museum café food," according to Lawhon, with some items prepared ahead of time and others requiring on-site preparation. There will also be some Civil War-era items, such as hardtack. The food provider Aramark has a contract for the service.

The museum bookstore will have "more items for sale," including reproductions of relics and other memorabilia, and "more linear feet of books for sale" than the current bookstore, according to Lawhon.

The for-profit Event Network will operate the store, replacing the non-profit Eastern National that ran the current store. Lawhon said "many" Eastern National employees have accepted positions working for Event Network.

The new building will also offer classroom space for teacher workshops and student activities, and computer access to databases about the battle and the park collections.

"A New Birth of Freedom" will require tickets. Prices until Sept. 25 will be $8 USD for adults, $6.50 USD for ages 6 to 12, and children 5 and under free. After Sept. 25 the price will rise to $12 USD for adults and $10 USD for youths over 5, with the tickets providing access to both the film and the Cyclorama painting.


Engaging Private Sector
The notion of a new visitor center was first raised in 1995, when a local developer proposed building a facility to solve preservation problems with the Cyclorama painting. The National Park Service decided to go a step further and issued a request for proposals from the private sector for a whole new visitor center.

Of six proposals, that of York developer Robert Kinsley was chosen as the best fit. Kinsley's nonprofit group, the Gettysburg Foundation, will own and operate the new visitor center, in cooperation with the park, for 20 years and then hand it over to the park.

The cost of the project has climbed over the years. In 1999 the park estimated the cost at $39 USD million, not including exhibit fabrication. The final price tag is now $125 USD million, of which $103 USD million has gone into the new facility. At 139,000 square feet the new building dwarfs the present visitor and Cyclorama centers, which have a total of 85,320 square feet.

To date, the foundation has secured $105 USD million and is now actively fundraising at the grassroots level. Of the $125 USD million total, $10 USD million represents an endowment, while another $9.6 USD million will go to razing the present visitor center and Cyclorama buildings — scheduled for 2009 — and restoring the wartime appearance of that key part of the battlefield, comprising 44 acres.

Pictors Studio23 Apr 2008 4:59 p.m. PST

I enjoyed my visit too. It was really well done!

ageofglory23 Apr 2008 7:01 p.m. PST

RR,

Your passion about this issue is clear, and I will concede this – reducing the number of artifacts on display is a sad decision, especially given the space available. I hope they will find room for many of these items over time as things settle.

Also, I plan to find out from the book store if any of their proceeds go to the park service, as Eastern National used to do. If not, my main incentive for shopping there will no longer exist, and I will divert my business to the Farnsworth House or other establishments.

I suspect, from the numbers you posted, that much of Mr. Kinsey's profits derive from contruction and demolition costs. I am in favor or restoring Cemetery Ridge through demolition of the old buildings, though I respect there are other viewpoints on this.

The museum itself reminded me of the WWII museum in New Orleans. I would not be surprised if the slavery / civil rights angle is overdone, but I need to complete a more in depth tour. Overall, though, I was impressed with the quality of the displays, videos, and interactive exhibits.

I sincerely hope things work out for the best for you there. I can see this is a very personal issue for you and that you have much more at stake in it than I do. In fairness to your point of view, I can tell you I do plan to learn more about the Foundation before offering my financial and/or other support.

RomanRep23 Apr 2008 9:07 p.m. PST

That is a good decision! And I respect that – you need to make your own call on it – To me I think it is all very suspect – I know the Park had to do something to get a new visitor center – but from the guy who wanted a Disney theme Park and a shopping mall??? It should have been a red flag to all of us!!! I am not sure where all the money goes either!!! the relationships are all very confusing and maybe there is a reason for that – like they don't want us to know – Kinsley is a businessman all the way – he would have never done this without make a big chunk of change – hey, its America – but not at the expense of what's right for the country's heritage and history –
The museum is really nice – If they (the Foundation) cannot pay the bills in 10 years – who will pay for it???

Scott Mingus01 May 2008 3:43 a.m. PST

I went back to the new VC last Sunday afternoon – crwods were far less and the visit was more leisurely. There is a lot to see if one takes the time to look at every display case and peruse all the artifacts and their captions. A lot of relics from the old VC are missing (including the really cool 12" diorama figures of a Yankee and a Rebel), but there is a lot of new, non-Gettysburg material now on display. I was struck by the lack of artillery, other than the one Napoleon and some tubes. Most of the ones from the older location are no longer on view.

The rotating display of old letters is interesting and different.

Now if the book store would pick up my books, I wouldbe happy…

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