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RedSalmon14 Apr 2008 3:44 a.m. PST

Is there any chance this thread can have it's own forum?

Martin Rapier14 Apr 2008 6:10 a.m. PST

I can't believe this crap is still running after a whole week.

Just leave it guys, lets talk about German camo schems on captured French tanks isntead.

christot14 Apr 2008 8:12 a.m. PST

ah… but can you find it the other way round?…French camo on captured German tanks?…I guess not…I suppose as the French didn't know how to use their own tanks the'd have had trouble with a German one

By John 5414 Apr 2008 12:16 p.m. PST

What Christot said, couldn't have put it better myself.
My line is basic common sense, Goodwood succeeds, 9th Army are relieved at Stalingrad, Singapore fights on, some extra troops find their way to help out at Berlin, all possible. Nazi jet-pack powered stormtroopers, anything with 'Zombie' in the title, sorcerers, even down to, wall to wall Maus, WGATW, tiger llls, and any other '46 FANTASY games' are just that, FANTASY games, with NO basis in anything possible, and, as such, melord, I submit, that they have no place onb a WWII thread.

christot14 Apr 2008 1:40 p.m. PST

6th army at Stalingrad, John…9th army is…somewhere else…dunno what it did after Typhoon but it ain't at Stalingrad

panzerfrans15 Apr 2008 2:32 p.m. PST

Toying around with history is a major part of what "historical" wargaming is all about.
I, personally, don't see much difference between the 6th army being relieved at Stalingrad and the Germans building Tiger IIIs in 1946.
History is a complex affair in which small changes can lead to vastly different outcomes.
So allowing for the 6th army being relieved at Stalingrad could easily cascade into the Germans still fighting in 1946, and as German production historically didn't seize before their factories were actually overrun there is no reason why they shouldn't have been able to produce Tiger IIIs at such a time in this specific altered history of yours.

In my opinion once you allow for "what if", and I've never seen a tabletop game that wasn't "what if", you should allow for anything that people can come up with a plausible excuse for.
Using "common sense" as a boundary is nothing more than limiting the "what if" to what you personally like and don't like.

I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway; having to face Tiger IIIs with Pershings beats having to face Tiger IIs with Shermans any day.

Greetings, Frans.

By John 5415 Apr 2008 3:14 p.m. PST

The war ended in 1945, there were no Tiger IIIs, (sorry for both these facts,
This is pointless, we will never agree, life is too short.
did the tigers IIIs have a bricole on them, for when they broke down? ;-)

panzerfrans15 Apr 2008 4:46 p.m. PST

Considering a crew of five that bricole probably wouldn't have helped much.

And live is certainly to short!

So we at least agree to that ;o)

Greetings, Frans.

Etranger15 Apr 2008 7:25 p.m. PST

Christot, to be serious for a second – actually the French did use captured German tanks, mostly Panthers; albeit largely post WWII. Painted green IIRC. They also recaptured some of their own 1940 era armour.

So French crewed Panthers Vs the Russians is just possible in a "Patton 1946" scenario.

FWIW the Wierd War stuff is probably best served by the Pulp board where there is some overlap, or by one of its own.

DanWW218 Apr 2008 7:25 a.m. PST

The new, separate board for Weird War is a good thing.

This board is for HISTORICAL (ie it happened and much is factual) discussion, not 'what ifs…?'.

It may be anal, but sometimes you DO want to find out the colour of a German mortar round, or a soviet tanker collar badge to complete a project, and (amusing/ interesting as they may be) it's a pain to wade through photoshopped pictures of star wars walkers, nazi werewolves etc etc.

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