"Wierd War Stuff Here or Not?" Topic

Should Wierd War be included in the WW2 Discussion board or elsewhere on TMP?

Please answer YES or NO first, then discuss if you like.

I'm wondering about this because of the unexpected intense debate my posting here of pics of a wierd war model I painted up generated.

Thanks
Amalric

YES

yes

NO

1) It's "Weird", not "Wierd".

2) Better placed under Science Fiction or Horror. Keep this board for things vaguely historical.

Ditto.

Ditto!!

Concur.

People killing each other is pretty weird, so I say, YES.

No.

File under Horror/Pulp for better sorting.

Only weird AWI should appear on the WW2 boards. WAWI.

Say it with me: WAH-WEE!!

Yes.

Ironically, when I clicked on this thread, the banner ad at the top of the page is for West Winds Weird War 2 stuff. I'll take that as a sign. ;-)

No, maybe in current affairs but not here.

No. This is a historical board. Fantasy is over there.

No. Shouldn't there be a separate board for it? There's one for 2mm so why not WWW2? I'm sure it would get more posts.

There should be a seperate board, but there isn't so yes it should be posted to the board it has the closests ties with…….which isn't sci-fi.

Oh and keep crossposting to sci-fi (we unlike some don't go nuts about this stuff).

No

It is sci-fi/fantasy, same as nazi zombies et al. I don't see it as being very different to VSF.

Some of the gear is very entertaining to look at of course – so maybe modelling/painting boards??

If we only had two boards, 'wargaming' and 'other stuff' then of course this problem would not arise.

Check the first page of TMP

In General
Fantasy
Historical
Science Fiction
Toy Gaming

Notice how there listed separately.

Strangely its only the historical gamers who think there is such a thing a sci-fi/fantasy…….i'm going to start calling WW2 topics Napoleonic/WW2 see how they like it.

I think that the Editor should be more active for OOT threads.

No, definitely not.

What Allen said.

No.

It's a hybrid genre, but I think it belongs in Sci-Fi.

Maybe the Pulp gaming board (which is already in the WW2 boards) is the right place, if so post to Pulp gaming and crosspost to sci-fi and/or horror or any other linked board, no more complaints from the Napoleonic/WW2 guys.

Problem solved. for me

No.

Pulp could probably be renamed Pulp and Alternative Historical or something if its current definition does not include Gearkrieg and zombie type games.

Or maybe, and I realize this goes against my usual raving about too many boards, we need an alt/horror/sci fi wwii board

There is a Victorian sci fi board under 19th century, so pulp/alt wwii should be under wwii. But I'm not particularly interested in zombies and walkers. It's great fun stuff and I enjoy seeing people's work, but it always seems out of place on a historical board.

It should have it's own board…
no.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz………got some!!!!!!!!

Yes, if the item in question was posted on a sci-fi board it probably would've got a whole lot of "jee thats a funny lookng Sentinel, you can't use that! its not Chapter approved(TM)!"

I frankly don't see what the problem is, this is hardly a primary source of historical information.
I'd rather see someone showing their work in a reasonably applicable board, sure its not everyones cup of tea, but neither is Winter War Finns and 14th army brits.
Its a sight more positive than the sort of rot that seems to be happing around in these parts of late.

How about sticking in brakets what the theme of the post is in the title, used to work pretty well on newsgroups, then you can choose not to read it, rather than splinter TMP even further.

Yes

Especially if it is set in WWII

Brian
battlegroundweirdwarii.com

I vote no. It isn't really WWII is it so move it to sci-fi.

No.

Pulp

or

a new WWII counter-factual board, (cringe)

se

No.

TMP link discussion on the Pulp gaming board, the problem is Weird wars stuff crosses numerous different genres/historical eras………so no existing board fits it all in.

Weird War II crosses WWII, Pulp, Sci-fi and horror, which board do you put it in, most people say sci-fi without any reasoning to back up the choice. Such as the 'it's not WW2 so stick it in Sci-fi' thing, never giving a reason to explain why a game with zombies attacking a group of SS would be science fiction (that would be WW2/Horror).

Anyway, i'm off to post some topics about the Temeraire books, (Napoleonic wars with added dragons carrying crews of riflemen) on the Napoleonic boards. (no i'm not that crazy )

Would say no, but may upset people, don't really care, just label it so I can avoid it. I know, put it in the Nappy boards, then retire 10 paces…………

Now thats spooky.

Strangely its only the historical gamers who think there is such a thing a sci-fi/fantasy…….i'm going to start calling WW2 topics Napoleonic/WW2 see how they like it.

Consider that many historical players are entirely happy to play an Assyrians versus Samurai battle in a historical tournament…

Griefbringer

Strangely its only the historical gamers who think there is such a thing a sci-fi/fantasy…….i'm going to start calling WW2 topics Napoleonic/WW2 see how they like it.

It's not meant to be derogatory or dismissive or ignorant; you shouldn't interpret it that way. What it means is "gaming genres that are not completely historically based". The general major divisions (perhaps the equivalent of the taxonomic "kngdom"?) most of us are used to using are historical, fantasy, sci fi. In the same way, I've seen a local battletech yahoo group here often refers to non-BT stuff as historical/fantasy. It didn't occur to me that that they were being dismissive.

Oh and there's no need to bring up the DBA type tournament match-up abominations – they are no more historical than if I allowed a German Panther tank in a France 1940 game.

Overlord44 used it in a derogatory, dismissive etc way, repeatedly on the model topic.

Seeing a WWW2 game with zombies attacking a group of SS would to me bring to mind WW2 and horror, science fiction wouldn't be my first thought……having looked at WWW2 site its has very little with sci-fi in it.

The choices seem to be allow Weird War stuff on the WW2 topics boards (like every other board, unless you view WW2 as somehow special), or give them their own board……….oh and WWW2 site is excellent by the way, it's just not sci-fi.

No – It is fantasy and is not WW2, regardless of the historical setting or trappings it wraps itself up in.

If you want to talk about zombies and/or big, stompy robots, please off to the horror, science fiction, fantasy or even needlework boards. Just keep it the heck away from historical discussions.

This is just encouraging me to finish up my "Tyrannosaurs Reich," US Army robots, and SS sorcerers so I can post them here.

Its always nazis, isn't it?

where's the British Tea Robots, or the upside-down cake throwers mounted on armoured ice-cream vans.

No
Is it WWII Land warfare?

No

I don't give monkeys if it is or isn't Fantasy, sci-fi, pulp, whatever, it ain't WWII…The models are nice enough, but the whole thing is really an excuse for late-war-german-fetishitic- "If only the Germans hadn't lost WWII they could have built all this groovy stuff"-alternate-history(and not even very good alternate history at that)Super-King-Tiger-Porn – Its Nonsense

"WWII Discussion – For discussion of anything related to WWII miniature wargaming."

So if I post a miniature of Hitler's brain in a jar, or a miniature cyborg Patton, those would qualify.

The Clockwork Kaiser and werebear Teddy Roosevelt would be right out though.

"where's the British Tea Robots, or the upside-down cake throwers mounted on armoured ice-cream vans."

Both cancelled due to bugetary cutbacks! The tea cosy flak jackets might be around for 1946 if they can conscript enough grannies for the production lines though!

Tyrannosaurs Reich

Ha, that's brilliant!

Praetorian, no, I didn't think Karl was over the top in the other topic at all. Some of you guys got a bit upset with him for bringing up the subject. I susppose reaction would depend on one's perspective, though. From my view, the outrage about using the term sci fi/fantasy struck me as really odd, to tell the truth, as was the persistence with "sci fi/fantasy" not being a legitimate term.

"explain why a game with zombies attacking a group of SS would be science fiction"

That was partly why I saud Sci-Fi/Fantasy – to my mind zombies are fantasy. Blokes in mech suits or Very Big German Imaginary Tanks/OGREs are sci-fi. If you get Himmler casting spells or summoning the devil with the aid of the Atlanteans and the secret UFO base at the south pole, then I really don't know where you are, but it sure isn't WW2.

Christot of course makes quite a valid point that a lot of this is indeed in the 'King Tiger Porn' class, so might also be defined as 'fantasy'…..

There are always going to be problems when you try and categorise things very finely, they is one reason why a proliferation of boards is not such a great idea. Much easier to have a small number of boards with posters putting sensible subject headers on so people can see what they are about.

I do not see a problem with it if it is identified in the title.

The thing I have to wonder is if people want to keep things purely historical on this board then there should be no mention of E-series tanks, t-28's or any of the other what if/ paper project units.

"explain why a game with zombies attacking a group of SS would be science fiction"

The answer to my question is of course, if the virus is artifical its WW2/horror/sci-fi,if its magical its WW2/horror/fantasy.

As Christot says – I don't give a flying if it's fantasy, sci-fi or Nazi-porn ory fantasy…

It isn't WWII so off elsewhere!

Nothing kills a good discussion forum quicker than being swamped under irrelevant cobblers, which is exactly what's been happening around here lately.

yes

but I also think there are way too many boards and I can't find anything. So I agree with Martin, . . .

There are always going to be problems when you try and categorise things very finely, they is one reason why a proliferation of boards is not such a great idea. Much easier to have a small number of boards with posters putting sensible subject headers on so people can see what they are about.

Duane

R Mark Davis wrote:

If you want to talk about zombies and/or big, stompy robots, please Bleeped text off to the horror, science fiction, fantasy or even needlework boards. Just keep it the heck away from historical discussions.

I agree 100%. This is a historical board for historical people.

Are you auditioning for a part as Waldorf?