Stuart M | 01 Apr 2008 9:11 a.m. PST |
Hello there Can anyone help as to the appearence of early 16th century petronels, pre-reiter. I've read a couple of descriptions to the point that they were fully armoured and carried large calibre match handguns. To that effect could you use lighter armed gendarme figures with handguns? what do you reckon guys? |
Phillius | 01 Apr 2008 11:52 a.m. PST |
I've considered using "archer" type figures. Possibly WotR coustilier/seargent type figures? The only picture I have seen, is in one of the Funken books on Chivalry. The figure was fairly fully armoured I seem to remember. Some sort of late fifteenth century knight would be ideal I would have thought? |
Stuart M | 01 Apr 2008 12:15 p.m. PST |
Carrying handguns / arquebus rather than pistol(s) They bsically mounted arquebusiers with more armour aren't they |
Stuart M | 01 Apr 2008 12:23 p.m. PST |
Something like this perhaps? picture Is that a bit early for say 1515? |
Stuart M | 01 Apr 2008 12:29 p.m. PST |
There's also this, c. 1495 link |
Phillius | 01 Apr 2008 2:04 p.m. PST |
I think both are 1480s/1490s but would probably carry forward to early Italian Wars. |
Stuart M | 01 Apr 2008 2:24 p.m. PST |
They are early. In Maximillian & German minor state lists they are replaced by mounted arquebusiers from 1518+ and their type are described as any obsolescent late 15th cent firearmed cavalry in full plate not previously mentioned. I've had a look at the WOTR light cavalry available and Front Rank seem to be the best and are cast open handed. The Foundry range is a bit dated (in my humble opinion!) See what I can do with some fancy painting to give them an early 1500's feel. I've had a scour through a few books and particularly in paintings of Henry VIII's first expeditions to France where he allied with Maximillian the German heavy cavalry are shown almost entirely in Sallets with articulated tails mounted on more typical Italian wars barded horses, so if that's what their heavy cavalry chose to wear in the presence of their emperor and a king then the more lowly petronels may well have certainly fitted into the above images, although the latter image rather than the former perhaps. I'll post here when I get round to painting one, see what you think. |
Rich Knapton | 01 Apr 2008 2:45 p.m. PST |
Are you sure this is a troop type? A petronel is a large hand-held firearm that is fired from a position in the center of the chest (like the first picture you showed). It could be fired either from horseback or on foot. French arquebusiers also had a tendency to fire by holding the arquebuse on the center of the chest like a petronel. Rich |
Stuart M | 02 Apr 2008 1:35 a.m. PST |
Therein lies the problem, they're on the Maximillian Imperial army list in DBR, hence my initial doubting confusion. They're not a compulsory troop type but I thought they'd be a point of interest for the army. Upon trying to research it I/ we've found a few holes. I might go with what I know is a definite and field mtd arquebusiers instead. The Recoil cant have been good for the ribs! |
Big Martin | 02 Apr 2008 4:29 a.m. PST |
But if you're wearing a breastplate that absorbs the recoil. Anyway, if you're wearing arm armour you have to fire it from your breastbone area as you can't bend your arms enough to fire it from the shoulder. |
Stuart M | 02 May 2008 8:19 a.m. PST |
Here's what I've come up with – fully armoured figures just didn't look right so I opted for slightly lighter armed figures. link |
Terry37 | 10 May 2008 10:24 a.m. PST |
Great looking figures Stuart M! Very nice work indeed. I would also repesent these troops like you have. Terry |
Stuart M | 11 May 2008 5:33 a.m. PST |
They're the first Front Rank figures I've painted and it was a joy, really good details, and the flag pennons are great. I've just received some of their handgunners, and they mix really well with Copplestone's conquistadores, so a cheap way to bulk out units of Spanish shot, if you're a slave to Foundry that is! |