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Louie N20 Mar 2008 7:38 p.m. PST

This might seem like a weird question.

What was the typical "arc" of a airborne mounted radar in WWI aircraft.

I am thinking of aircraft like the US P-61, UK Mosquito, Germany Me 110G, or the JU 88G night fighters

I'm just looking for the most basic information here as I am clueless.

I am assuming it was a fairly narrow field in front of the aircraft but I may be comepletely wrong about that.

I don't know and that is why I am asking.

Are there any good books thta dak about the the aerial night actions over Germany from both a technical and operational perpective.

Thanks

Top Gun Ace20 Mar 2008 8:05 p.m. PST

Actually, it varied considerably by the type of radar unit.

Some were about 60 degrees, or so, while others were 120 – almost 180 degrees, and a few even had limited coverage over their rear arcs as well.

I suggest doing a little research on the internet, or obtaining some decent books on the subject.

Contrary to popular belief in the overall superiority of Allied radar systems, the Germans were very advanced in the field of airborne radar. However, many of their better systems were only available in very limited quantities late in the war.

I'll post some book references in a short while, since most of the names escape me currently.

Top Gun Ace20 Mar 2008 8:16 p.m. PST

Hi Louie,

Here's a posting from the Air Pirates Yahoo Group that I made some time ago, in reference to a similar request:

Hi Kevin,

Yes, I can assist, since this is a major topic of interest for me, due to all of the high-tech gear, and radar development during WW II. Really fascinating to see how the battles see-sawed back and forth as new tactics and equipment were introduced, and countermeasures were quickly developed to meet the new threats.

From the German side of things, the following are all excellent:

1. History of the German NF Force – Gebhard Aders (probably the best single source on the Luftwaffe NF force, and the night battles)

2. The Other Battle – Peter Hinchliffe

3. Nightfighter – The Battle for the Night Skies – Ken Delve

4. Instruments of Darkness (tech development for both sides) – Alfred Price

5. Nachtjagd – Theo Boiten

6. Night Air War – Boiten

7. Luftwaffe Aces – Kurowski (Schnaufer and Wittgenstein should be looked up, in addition to Hajo Herrmann and others)

The first four listed above are a must read, for a decent overview of the war. The others are very good as well.


For the British side:

1. The Bomber Command War Diaries provides a good overview -
Middlebrook and Everitt

2. Valley of the Shadow of Death – Phillips (Excellent Ruhr
Campaign Details)

3. Air Battle of the Ruhr – Cooper

4. The Berlin Raids – Middlebrook

5. The Bomber Battle for Berlin – Searby

6. The Nuremburg Raid – Middlebrook

7. The Battle of Hamburg – Middlebrook

8. Mosquito Panik! (details the use of the British Mosquito in offensive operations against the German nightfighter force – excellent, and highly recommended)

Of course there are many others, but that is a decent start.

The British NF book already mentioned is excellent as well, from the pilot's viewpoint on ops. There are a number of others as well, which a little researching should turn up. Look up nightfighter, night fighter, or intruder in your searches – fun to see all the ninja stuff turn up as well.

Recently, there appears to be more info being released in book form on the British NF ops over the UK, in defensive mode. Can't recall those titles, and haven't read them yet, but imagine they will be insightful as well.

The Americans had some NF units in the theater as well, around the time of the Normandy invasion, but they played a smaller role than their British counterparts in the war. The P-61 looked great on paper, but was a bit underpowered. There are a few books out on the Black Widow units, if you have an interest in them, for both the European and Pacific theaters.

That should give you a little light reading, to keep you busy for awhile. I hope it helps.

Please share with us the project(s) and aircraft you are working on.

I really must get some night bombing campaign aircraft done, since the planes have been neglected for much too long, and it is such an interesting subject. Reasonably suitable for solo play too, unlike many other avenues of air combat.


Best regards,

Rob
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(3-D Aerial Flight Stand Manufacturer, and Aerial Wargaming Specialist Retailer – e-mail me at the address above for a copy of our free product catalog)

nebeltex20 Mar 2008 8:46 p.m. PST

not all of the interception systems were radar, or even in the air. usually ground radar control vectored the hunter into the vicinity of the target. some electronic systems could home in on signal emissions from the target. it was (and still is) a measure vs. countermeasure affair and the birth of aerial elint. some of the most effective defenses at night took advantage of weather conditions and ground support, not needing radar at all….

Top Gun Ace20 Mar 2008 11:54 p.m. PST

That is a good point.

Infrared detectors were also used, with limited success.

Warbeads21 Mar 2008 3:23 a.m. PST

How much NF action occurred in the PTO (my AOI) as opposed to the ETO (loses my attraction for me after BOB)?

And just to be impulsive, was aerial based radar ever used in night fighter type actions in the CBI?

Gracias,

Glenn

Warbeads21 Mar 2008 3:25 a.m. PST

Oops, I think I just hi-jacked this thread! Badd on me. Apologies…

RockyRusso21 Mar 2008 9:56 a.m. PST

Hi

All, I am unsure about CBI, but the US was using night fighters in the pacific, both army and navy.

R

Top Gun Ace21 Mar 2008 11:08 a.m. PST

CBI = ?

Warbeads21 Mar 2008 11:14 a.m. PST

China Burma India Theater.

Top Gun Ace21 Mar 2008 3:52 p.m. PST

Ah, thanks for the info.

Couldn't quite get that one.

As far as I know, the Flying Tigers did a little nightfighting in moonlight, via visual spotting.

Not sure if there was any airborne radar in the theater. If so, it would have been very late in the war.

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