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falkonfive10 Mar 2008 8:22 a.m. PST

As a figure gamer of advancing years and limited time for painting etc. I have long had an interest in a computer simulation. Way back in the dawn of time I started producing 15mm Napoleonics under the name of Battle Honours and had an artist friend, Antony Barton, ( who'd never designed a figure in his life!! ) produce some masters. The whole thing worked out of a barn in Shropshire but we seemed to make a good impression with them. That was a long time ago but even then we experimented with computer moderated rules.

Since that time I've been involved in other areas but still kept a keen interest in Napoleonic gaming. It's always been an ambition to produce a system for PC's that would allow figure gamers to fight historical actions on a computer screen, either against each other on-line or against the computer AI. The idea being that gamers could come home and with a some time to spare grab a beer, sit down at the keyboard, load up Salamanca or Wagram and play in the style of a tabletop game. Lets get it clear right from the start. This is no way a substitute for a table full of nicely painted battalions and the company of fellow gamers. More of a kind of 'Napoleonic Lite' version that would allow accurate historical actions with a minimum of setting up, fast play and done in the style of figure games. i.e the player selects his troops, deploys 'em and moves 'em around on a realistic map and can make the same tactical decisions as normal. The troops fight and the PC does the paperwork and calculations.
Best of all it allows gamers who have trouble finding time and opponents to indulge in their pastime without the normal time consuming hard work.
All serious Napoleonic enthusiasts have no doubt seen the various commercial attempts over the years and like me consigned them to their rightful place. Usually in the waste bin. Various attempts like Cossacks etc are fine for younger arcade style players but don't do much for figure gamers used to accuracy and visual appeal. I make no comment on computer moderated rules 'cos I don't have time for traditional games any more and know nothing about them. There's probably good ones out there.

Couple of years ago along with some fellow Napoleonic enthusiasts a group was formed to develop a program which had been around some time and which showed a lot of potential as being a very acceptable system. There has been almost a total rebuild. The original program was developed for Medieval Warfare. A group called the Lordz had produced a Napoleonic version called Napoleonic Total War. All credit to them they produced the basics but there were a lot of rough edges. We took the mod and fine tuned it as far as possible. It's meant re-programming all the unit statistics to get the troop types to behave as it is generally agreed they did, adding new ones, changing names etc, building in advantages for formations column of attack etc and a lot more. The last and most complex project has been overhauling the graphics to make the units look as near as possible to their counterparts. It's an old program and has limited capabilities in the graphics dept but we think its a passable attempt.

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Before the purists start yelling about uniform details they are cordially invited to take the files and perfect 'em. We'll be very pleased :) but it's a nightmare job. The original mod had the kinda French are blue, Russians are green, Brits are red approach.

So if theres anyone one out there who'd like to try it out then please help yourself. It will be available as a download from our site within the next 24-48 hours maybe and is totally free. All you will need is a copy of Medieval Total War ( first version ) and the Viking expansion pack. Both are available on E Bay or Amazon and will cost around £5.00 GBP – 8 pounds for both discs. You can also use the Gold Edition which combines both discs in one and might be found in your local store.

Along the way we have also produced Orders of Battle for a lot of the major actions, pretty accurate but obviously scaled down, theres also some independent commands based on Corps sized units for all the 5 major nationalities that the system is geared around i.e Austrians, Brits, French, Russians and Prussians. These are ideal if you want to play the AI or an online opponent in a two handed game. If you want to play the big actions, up to 4 players per side you'll need to find some opponents. There are a group of us who play regularly weekends and evenings and your welcome to join in. It's very informal and great fun.

Further information on the system, 1809 Version 5, and background info can be had from the 1809 site at:

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Thanks for your interest.

Scutatus10 Mar 2008 8:36 a.m. PST

Congratulations and well done. It's just a shame that the timing wasn't better, seeing as the Total War franchise is doing Napoleonics "officially" as their next release. However, in the meantime your mod will do very nicely. All that hard work should be rewarded. :D

Lord Ashram10 Mar 2008 4:11 p.m. PST

Don't be afraid to try the original, too, whose rough edges are debatable;) Also from the Lordz is ATW, a version that visits North America for both the American Civil War and the American Revolution.

Chortle Fezian11 Mar 2008 2:07 a.m. PST

I've been looking for a decent PC Napoleonic game since I played Fields of Glory (which I enjoyed). Thanks for all your hard work. I will certainly give the mod a go.

WarDepotDavid11 Mar 2008 4:22 p.m. PST

It is pretty good. It is exciting to know that Total War Empire will have napoleonics but I am very concerned about the command structure which is normall very absent from TW games and is more important to Naps than it had in all the previous releases. It's okay to go with a 1:10 ratio or even 1:20 in these games but if you can't field a couple of corps worth of battalions, regiments and batteries then I feel it misses a lot of the true essence of napoleonic battles.

Histwar: Les Grognards it definitely the release to watch for soon. It appears to have captured the above well.

The engine for Take Commander: Mannassas is awesome and the OOB editer is so easy to use so if they could make some bigger maps and bring in a Naps version, that would be good also.

Regards, David
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Chortle Fezian17 Mar 2008 1:25 a.m. PST

It turns out that I only have Rome Total War (my medieveil disk is in the UK). Will this work with your system?

falkonfive17 Mar 2008 3:21 a.m. PST

Hi Chortle,

Unfortunately not. It's all based on the original MTW with the Viking Invasion Expansion disc. Long shot but what part of the world are you in ? We're coming over to the British Army Wargames convention at Rheindalen Germany next weekend (Easter)to do a demo and will have some spare copies with us. If its within your reach let me know.

Regards,

Falkonfive

Chortle Fezian17 Mar 2008 3:25 a.m. PST

Falkonfive,

I'm in Bangladesh. Unfortunately no where near your demo game. Enjoy the show!

I will see if I can find the MTW Viking invasion disc here. It could still be in one of the shops.

Cheers

Neil

falkonfive17 Mar 2008 7:16 a.m. PST

Ok Neil,

Surely just a short drive :)!!!!

If you have problems finding one, let me know. Be glad to send one out.

falkonfive@hotmail.com

Cheers

Richard
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