Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Jan 2008 10:50 a.m. PST |
Should the Pulp board be open to all Pulp-style gaming topics, or only to the so-called Pulp Era (1930's?)? |
Goldwyrm | 18 Jan 2008 10:52 a.m. PST |
Tell "The Shadow" anything goes. |
Goldwyrm | 18 Jan 2008 10:53 a.m. PST |
OR just rename the board Adventure Gaming and it becomes more inclusive without the baggage of arguing about definitions. |
Murphy | 18 Jan 2008 10:54 a.m. PST |
I think it should be for ALL Pulp style gaming topics
After all it does say "Pulp Gaming", and NOT "Pulp Gaming 1930's"
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RJ Andron | 18 Jan 2008 10:57 a.m. PST |
I don't mind it being opened up to more than just the "Pulp-era" stuff. Doing scenarios on lost cities in the modern world, or "National Treasure" type scenarios is, to my mind, just as valid for discussions in the Pulp area as 1930s based gaming. |
Lord Billington Wadsworth | 18 Jan 2008 11:14 a.m. PST |
I took it as all pulp, personally. |
Tommy20 | 18 Jan 2008 11:18 a.m. PST |
It seems to me that Pulp, like VSF, can mean different things to diffrent people. Why not be inclusive? I must have missed the flap. Was somebody complaining? |
Rattrap1 | 18 Jan 2008 11:20 a.m. PST |
Really, pulp has become the "general" board for a lot of people. If it does not fit into one of the historical categories or one of the non-gaming categories, it will probably get cross-posted to pulp. Do I talk about Conan in pulp or fantasy? Do I talk about Buck Rogers in Pulp or Science Fiction? Do I talk about pteradactyl-riding nazi-zombies in Pulp or WWII Land or Air? The proliferation of boards has broken things down so much that no one really knows where to post. I know, this is not an anti-proliferation topic, but that's the root of the problem. Everyone wants their own board and now you have no idea where to find or place anything. Rich |
pphalen | 18 Jan 2008 11:24 a.m. PST |
I broadly define pulp as "Nearly" historical engagements. While the "Between the wars" years play a part in this, it also includes Indiana Jones WWII – type things, as well. The keys for me are: - nearly historical - Extra Large heroes - Disposable "Extras/mooks" - Weird science, or "early" science |
Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Jan 2008 11:24 a.m. PST |
So we should nuke the Pulp Gaming board, and have the posts go to General Discussion? |
The Crimson Servant | 18 Jan 2008 11:29 a.m. PST |
The title "Pulp" may be too limiting, especially for the sort of stuff, the range of topics, seen on this board. "Adventure" or maybe "Thrilling Wonder" might work. Crimson Servant |
nazrat | 18 Jan 2008 11:32 a.m. PST |
Definitely anything should be able to be posted to the Pulp Boards, within reason. Flintloque, the carnage can be seen here-- TMP link |
miniMo | 18 Jan 2008 11:56 a.m. PST |
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Plynkes | 18 Jan 2008 11:56 a.m. PST |
If Conan ain't on topic on the Pulp board, then the board names have no meaning, and you might as well just post anything anywhere. |
Goldwyrm | 18 Jan 2008 12:06 p.m. PST |
So we should nuke the Pulp Gaming board, and have the posts go to General Discussion? I don't think so, although a rename or description change might be better to avoid the confusion or nitpicking. The hang up on Pulp is that there is a tradition definition for some and the defacto usage for others. That's why I suggested a larger more encompasing title such as Adventure Gaming. The "Pulpness" has to do with games or scenarios being inspired by the original pulps thus the current title, but also inspired by other divergent mediums such as graphic comics, cartoons, TV, and movies. I think of pulp/adventure gaming in the larger sense as derived from literature or film and the gaming is focused around a skirmish type game with plot driven characters. Flash Gordon is topical in addition to also being a viable Sci-fi discussion topic. I can see it being crossposted. 40K, Shockforce, 5150, and others would normally be a Sci-fi board topic and wouldn't be crossposted to the Pulp/Adventure Board unless the topic dwelled on using those systems to emulate some well known work of fiction where there were named characters performing great deeds, etc. like Flash Gordon. Same-same for Conan and Fantasy. So it's like the Rhombus vs. Square thing. You can have a topic about lozenge patterns in the Rhombus board but not in the Square board. A Topic about bar napkins would fit into both the Rhombus and Square boards. That makes perfect sense to me. If you're in a board nuking mood, are you accepting other candidates? |
Dances With Words | 18 Jan 2008 12:10 p.m. PST |
I like orange juice and lemonade with pulp
.does that count???? *seriously* 'PULP' seems to cover things from '30's/Doc Savage to 'FUTURAMA' in the year 3000!!!!(WELCOME TO THE FUTURE!!!!!) I've been WANTING TO SAY THAT!! 8-) Anyway
.to 'me' the concept of 'pulp' is mix of humor, action, adventure, and DEFINATE 'good guys vs bad guys'
the LINES are usually a little 'clearer' than 'space opera' or other RPG/wargaming/storytelling??? But that's just one TENTACLE's opinion
(actually 14 of them
) *slish
slish* |
Rattrap1 | 18 Jan 2008 12:12 p.m. PST |
So we should nuke the Pulp Gaming board, and have the posts go to General Discussion? I have NO idea. :-) Some people get caught up on things being posted to the wrong board. Some don't. I can skip any topic I'm not interested in and move on whether I think it's on the right board or not is irrelevant. I see a lot of cross-posting because people don't know where to post things. I post nearly everything I do to pulp because that's where I think most of my posts should go. I sometimes cross-post to other boards if I think its relevant to them (like Conan being in pulp and fantasy). I say damn those who seek to limit and constrain me. Storm the bastille (unless that should be on a historical board in which case I guess this post should be moved.) :-) |
Lord Billington Wadsworth | 18 Jan 2008 12:18 p.m. PST |
When we storm the bastille should be be shouting "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity" or should be just sort og generally yell and make a lot of noise? Also, do we hold our weapons up high, or more compact in we need to use them? Are three pronged pitchforks ok? |
Hundvig | 18 Jan 2008 12:19 p.m. PST |
Again with this? Feels like I've wasted a perfectly good stifle, somehow. I say leave it open to anything related to pulps, including retro-scifi and the like. The board doesn't say anything about 1930s, and shouldn't. It's a gaming board, not a litcrit board. Maybe start a 1930s Pulp Books board or something so the pedant has someplace to go. |
John the OFM | 18 Jan 2008 12:44 p.m. PST |
I sense a disturbance in the Force, and an minent splitting of boards
"Pulp" is what was published in Pulp magazines. It includes Weird Tales (Conan, Cthulhu, etc.), Astounding Tales (John W Campbell sci-fi, Asimov, Heinlein, etc.), Spicy Detective Stories, Fu MAnchu
. I could see "Pulp" set up as its own main board, with sub-boards like Sci-Fi (as opposed to science fiction), Space Opera, Hard Boiled Dicks, weird horror, Sword and Sorcery
Or, you can just leave it the way it is, and stop worrying about it. It's only a problem for womeone who has thee wrong boards turned off. |
Lee Brilleaux | 18 Jan 2008 12:59 p.m. PST |
Leave it as it is, and let's all have a drink. Mine's a scotch, straight. (If this answer doesn't strike you as the best solution possible at this time, you should leave the pulp board immediately.) |
shelldrake | 18 Jan 2008 1:13 p.m. PST |
Please keep the pulp boards – it makes it easier to find topics people post on the subject. |
The Shadow | 18 Jan 2008 1:27 p.m. PST |
The problem is that "pulp" means too many different things to too many different people. So far it seems that *everything* is on-topic for this board. Think not? Would any of you like to give me a scenario, *any* scenario that involves a conflict between miniature figures that *wouldn't* be on-topic for this board? |
BrigadeGames | 18 Jan 2008 1:40 p.m. PST |
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xxxxxxxxooooo | 18 Jan 2008 2:55 p.m. PST |
The problem is that "pulp" means too many different things to too many different people. So far it seems that *everything* is on-topic for this board. Think not? Would any of you like to give me a scenario, *any* scenario that involves a conflict between miniature figures that *wouldn't* be on-topic for this board? Can anyone give a response, *any* response, to this poster that won't trigger more pendantic sarcasm? Guiscard |
RJ Andron | 18 Jan 2008 3:15 p.m. PST |
Leave the Pulp board as is. It seems to work fine. As they say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." |
kallman | 18 Jan 2008 3:18 p.m. PST |
Leave as it is, tempest in a teapot for crying out loud. |
Spacelord | 18 Jan 2008 3:21 p.m. PST |
I think that 'pulp' covers a multitude. If I want to talk about Hellboy fighting nazi zombies and vampire thralls, I'd post it to pulp. It's horror, sci-fi and fantasy all rolled into one. I take the term 'pulp' as referring to the 'lurid subject matter' of the magazines rather than a strict period that they cover. Hellboy is a modern graphic novel, but it's subject matter is pulp as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in being possessive about a message board on someone else's site. I like TMP as it is, if I was desperate for a really strictly on topic board I'd start a yahoo group. |
marsexpress | 18 Jan 2008 4:12 p.m. PST |
Pulp is a style of game more than just a limited period Perhaps if Bill set a definition? |
Regrebnelle | 18 Jan 2008 4:27 p.m. PST |
Just say no, and leave it as is. Mark |
Cacique Caribe | 18 Jan 2008 4:47 p.m. PST |
Don't like a topic you see? Don't read it. Others may find it useful, inspiring and applicable for their period/genre. CC |
Smokey Roan | 18 Jan 2008 5:04 p.m. PST |
Can I post things relating to my invisioned "Rockford Files" game here? |
The Shadow | 18 Jan 2008 5:45 p.m. PST |
"Can anyone give a response, *any* response, to this poster that won't trigger more pendantic sarcasm?" Guiscard My comment wasn't meant to be sarcastic, it was meant to point out the situation on this board. As it stands there is *no* gaming scenario involving miniatures in conflict that *wouldn't* be on-topic here. If you'd like to offer something constructive and you don't want to just take a personal shot at me to cover the fact that you don't have a valid argument, go ahead and give us a scenario that *wouldn't* be on-topic here and prove me wrong. I'll wait for you right over here. |
The Shadow | 18 Jan 2008 6:09 p.m. PST |
"I say leave it open to anything related to pulps, including retro-scifi and the like. The board doesn't say anything about 1930s, and shouldn't. It's a gaming board, not a litcrit board. Maybe start a 1930s Pulp Books board or something so the pedant has someplace to go". I'm confused. Did you think that I meant that we should only discuss written fiction from "pulp magazines" from the 1930's and that you didn't know that when I say "fiction and related genres from the pulp era" that I also include serials, movies, radio drama, and comic strips from the entire "pulp era" from the 1920's to the mid 1940's? I've *always* said that *all* of the related genres should be included. Including real between-the-wars conflicts, like the French Foreign Legion in North Africa, Chinese Warlords in the Orient, and the "Banana Wars" that appeared in "pulp magazines" like "Adventure", "Thrilling Adventures", "Argosy" and "Short Stories Magazine". I am, as you said that I should be, "open to anything related to pulps". What makes you think that I'm not? |
Broadsword | 18 Jan 2008 6:16 p.m. PST |
Leave the Pulp board be and move on. And both Rich and Pat have used up their hyphen allowance for the week. ;) Al | rivetsandsteam.com |
The Shadow | 18 Jan 2008 9:22 p.m. PST |
"Flash Gordon is topical in addition to also being a viable Sci-fi discussion topic. I can see it being crossposted". So can I. "40K, Shockforce, 5150, and others would normally be a Sci-fi board topic and wouldn't be crossposted to the Pulp/Adventure Board unless the topic dwelled on using those systems to emulate some well known work of fiction where there were named characters performing great deeds, etc. like Flash Gordon. Same-same for Conan and Fantasy". Exactly. Now let's see who calls *you* pedantic. |
Neotacha | 18 Jan 2008 11:01 p.m. PST |
This thread (and the associated link) almost made me late to dinner tonight. Thanks for the laughs! |
The Shadow | 19 Jan 2008 12:31 a.m. PST |
"This thread (and the associated link) almost made me late to dinner tonight. Thanks for the laughs!" Glad to help you out man! Maybe sometime you can add your comments so that we can laugh too. |
Dances With Words | 19 Jan 2008 5:20 a.m. PST |
to misquote the "Joker" from the first Keaton movie
"I don't know if it's PULP, but I LIKE IT!"
'Tales from the Brass Monkey'
tv show
very 'pulpy'
Doc Savage, Flash Gordon 1980 movie, or especially 'animated'
DEFINATELY! (new 2007 tv version
.eh? not sure but is 'campy')
Animated Batman/Superman cartoons from 90's
very 'pulpy'
One man (or TENTACLE's) pulp is another's belly laugh
.I wish I could have a 'scotch'
but will have to settle for a Mountain Dew:Code Red
. I'd say that ACW or 'Nappies' are NOT PULP
unless you happen to throw in some Nazi, time-traveling, zombie vampire werewolves in stilletto heels
.but that's just 'swamp gas'
..for some.
I agree
if it ain't broke
.put more duct tape on it to keep it that way!!! *slish
slish* |
AndrewGPaul | 19 Jan 2008 6:36 a.m. PST |
Perhaps you could get rid of the pulp board entirely. Just post in the Interwar, Modern, Superheroes, Fantasy or SF boards as appropriate. In fact, you could ditch the Superheroes board, and put that all into Fantasy while you're at it. :) After all, you're apparently trying to define a genre by referring to a medium. It's like having a board on "cartoon gaming", then complaining when people mention Star Trek, or the Scooby Doo movie. |
Plynkes | 19 Jan 2008 7:03 a.m. PST |
While ACW may not normally spring to mind with regards to Pulp, it certainly can be, without recourse to anything like Nazi Vampires: picture |
Rattrap1 | 19 Jan 2008 8:07 a.m. PST |
You hit the nail right on the head Plynkes. A lot of pulp novels were simply historical fiction. You could even find stuff to crosspost into the Sports board and pulp since a lot of pulp novels were sporting related. I'm all for just leaving things alone and realizing that people are going to find a reason to complain no matter what you do. |
The Shadow | 19 Jan 2008 8:11 a.m. PST |
Don't like a topic you see? Don't read it. So your opinion is that *nothing* should be considered off-topic on this board? Because if that *is* what you're saying then you've just answered the editor's question "So we should nuke the Pulp Gaming board, and have the posts go to General Discussion?" with a "yes" as the "pulp" board is just a "general" board. |
RabidFox | 19 Jan 2008 8:24 a.m. PST |
Bill, I say do one of two things: 1) Completely leave it as is. 2) Make it into a major board like John the OFM said. Personally, I would love to see it as a major board. Getting rid of it would do a disservice to many including myself. I would consider not renewing my Supporting Membership if the Pulp board was done away with. |
nazrat | 19 Jan 2008 9:03 a.m. PST |
Then I change my vote-- GET RID OF THE PULP BOARD!!! 8)= |
The Shadow | 19 Jan 2008 9:06 a.m. PST |
""Pulp" is what was published in Pulp magazines. It includes Weird Tales (Conan, Cthulhu, etc.), Astounding Tales (John W Campbell sci-fi, Asimov, Heinlein, etc.), Spicy Detective Stories, Fu MAnchu
." The above comment was posted by John The OFM, and I agree with him completely. The only problem is getting many of the others to understand that this is where the term "pulp" comes from and it's why the term "pulp" is used as a title for the group. All related genres should, of course, be included, as many of the most famous popular fictional characters of that era crossed over into films, serials, comic strips and radio dramas and the adventure "pulps" included all sorts of "between the wars" armed conflict. Without that understanding we can split up the group into seperate sub groups, but the problem of what's considered off-topic would remain. As I see it, the only way to define this group so that we can better focus on what *belongs* in this group, and not just leave it as another "general" group with a different name, is to start a discussion regarding what *is* off-topic and *why* its off-topic. |
AndrewGPaul | 19 Jan 2008 10:25 a.m. PST |
Shadow, I fail to see what you're talking about when you keep mentioning General Discussion. As I mentioned above, you could simply disperse all the topics in 'Pulp' to other genre-specific boards. |
Spacelord | 19 Jan 2008 11:00 a.m. PST |
It's this kind of debate that puts me off, well, life in general. I came to TMP for the miniatures, but I stayed for the rudeness and pedanticism. |
marsexpress | 19 Jan 2008 1:28 p.m. PST |
Are not the Indiana Jones movies pure pulp? They were made in the 1980's I think pulp is a style rather than a period |
komradebob | 19 Jan 2008 2:30 p.m. PST |
Why isn't all of the clearly "Not-Real" stuff under one grouping already? I mean, why is VSF over in the 19th C grouping instead of over with SF. For that matter, why aren't SF, Horror, Supers, Pulp, Swords'n'Sandals Fantasy, VSF, Dino-Hunting and what-not all grouped together? Also, who exactly was complaining in the first place? Did someone get terribly lost around the Pulp board? Were they not able to find the sorts of things they were looking for? |