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Phil Gray Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:02 p.m. PST

on wikipedia that he hasn't got against rapid fire/ spearhead et al?

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:13 p.m. PST

Are you referring to this?

link

It's a fine example of the shortfalls of Wikipedia.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:19 p.m. PST

And who the heck took Sid off the list of notable wargamers?!?!?!?

Foul, I cry! Foul!!!

Allen

Mal Wright Fezian Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:35 p.m. PST

WAHHHHH!
I'M A FAILURE.
I WASTED MY LIFE.
I'M NOT ON THE LIST OF NOTABLES!
BOOOO! Hisssss! Its all rigged.

Kevin the Tomato Plant Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:55 p.m. PST
Kevin the Tomato Plant Inactive Member28 Mar 2007 10:57 p.m. PST

Or this! A real boogie wonderland.

larrydunn.com

Personal logo Vis Bellica Supporting Member of TMP28 Mar 2007 11:16 p.m. PST

I've added some of the rulesets he deleted back in. Gives the casual reader a better idea of what's out there. Doubtless he will accuse me of "vandalism"!

SirG

Personal logo Baccus 6mm Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Mar 2007 11:22 p.m. PST

Mmm….according to Wikipedia, neither my company, nor indeed my figure range exist in LarryDunnLand., ('The miniatures and scenery used vary greatly in scale, from 10 mm figures up to more conventional modelling scales.')

I don't know whether I ought to be annoyed or rather relieved…

Cheers

Peter

Martin Rapier29 Mar 2007 12:21 a.m. PST

It is wikipedia, not the Encylopedia Brittanica, just edit it if you don't like.

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 12:28 a.m. PST

It is wikipedia, not the Encylopedia Brittanica, just edit it if you don't like.

… and have Larry Dunn edit it right out again!
Bang go my chances of ever being mentioned on Wikipedia now, as I'll be on his list now ;-)

Big Miller Bro Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 12:54 a.m. PST

Well if it is the TMP Larry Dunn you could ask him : TMP link

Personal logo The GM Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 1:08 a.m. PST

It would almost be fun to ALL ask him ;-).

But I have better things to do with my time. Earth Wind and Fire? Who's that? ;-)

Don.

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 1:23 a.m. PST

It would almost be fun to ALL ask him ;-)

Could you imagine his reaction if all 1200 members from the Yahoo group sent him individual emails? ;-)

Phil Gray At Work Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 1:24 a.m. PST

Big Miller Bro – someone did.

Apparently he thinks its "vandalism" to mention IABSM but Rapid Fire etc are perfectly okay? Hence my query.

NoLongerAMember Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 1:35 a.m. PST

He's not the messiah he is just a very naughty boy!

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 1:37 a.m. PST

Apparently IABSM isn't a popular set of rules and the number of members of the dedicated Yahoo group is no indication of popularity !?!

Fat Wally29 Mar 2007 1:48 a.m. PST

Cooo eeee!

C'mon Larry, come out and try to defend yourself!

[This could be very interesting…:-)]

Gwart loves Bill Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 2:30 a.m. PST

Larry Dunn is a Deleted by Moderator.

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 2:30 a.m. PST

"He's not the messiah he is just a very naughty boy!"

And he's been a TMP member for 666 days!

Aieeeeeee!!!

Allen

Derek H Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 2:42 a.m. PST

Baccus 6mm wrote:

Mmm….according to Wikipedia, neither my company, nor indeed my figure range exist in LarryDunnLand.

Sorted

Someone's added 6mm and I've added Baccus Miniatures.

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 2:56 a.m. PST

How about putting a photo of Larry Dunn on the cover of TW&T, right under the title ;-)

squiffy Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 3:32 a.m. PST

This Larry Dunn sounds like a right Bleeped text.

hurcheon Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 3:52 a.m. PST

I added Ebob, and Copplestone's fantasy.

Wikipedia is a noble idea, let down by the precence of strange pople

combatpainter Fezian Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 4:04 a.m. PST


Larry Dunn is a Deleted by Moderator

:)

combatpainter Fezian Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 4:04 a.m. PST


Larry Dunn is a Deleted by Moderator

:)

Belisarius29 Mar 2007 4:40 a.m. PST

I am tempted to go in and edit and put that 6mm is the only true scale and all other scales is trash. The only manufacture worth anything is Baccus. evil grin

Oh, I'm a sock puppet, and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.

CHORUS: He's a sock puppet, and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I paint 6mm trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

Martin Rapier29 Mar 2007 4:47 a.m. PST

I've corrected the the bit about scales, 15mm is 1:120 indeed.

Mrs Pumblechook Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 4:48 a.m. PST

I just made my first Wikpedia I added Wargods of Aegyptus and Wargods of Olympus

Gabriel Landowski Fezian Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 4:50 a.m. PST

Self maintaining, self maintaining… also you can have the topic locked if it flips back and forth to much.

And I feel for the horses… ( note I said "for" )

adster29 Mar 2007 4:57 a.m. PST

Baccus Miniatures have always been listed, just search under "counters, very very tiny and Oolon Colluphid, the triple-breasted Bleeped text of Eroticon VI".

Iberian Warrior Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 5:15 a.m. PST

Ok I have to ask who is Larry Dunn. I know from the second link that he is some kind of music type guy and he has a really annoying web page that bored me so bad I left after the first 10 seconds of being annoyed by his silly graphics.

But who is Larry Dunn in relation to wargaming? I have been gaming for 30 years and have never heard of him. Is he some sort of guru? Is he a Donald Featherstone?

Brian

Fred Cartwright29 Mar 2007 5:21 a.m. PST

>q>CHORUS: He's a sock puppet, and he's okay,
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

You missed out the bit about wearing high heels and wanting to be a girlie just like your dear papa! Lol! :-)

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2007 5:23 a.m. PST

The bit on "notable wargamer" Frederick the Great had me scratching my head a bit.
All Hail the Wiki! It's like listening to the guys at your club after a couple of beers.

Fred Cartwright29 Mar 2007 5:24 a.m. PST

I just made my first Wikpedia I added Wargods of Aegyptus and Wargods of Olympus

I just added Rich Clarke to the personalities section! :-)

Steve Hazuka Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 5:41 a.m. PST

He has enough stifles to show his opinions aren't that well appriciated.

Of course that is mearly a guess.

Steve Hazuka Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 5:46 a.m. PST

I added in the scale section "sometimes refered to as the Barret Scale. Please correct my spelling if is incorrect.

nycjadie Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 5:54 a.m. PST

You guys need to relax, have some fun, and put Bill on the wiki sight.

Belisarius29 Mar 2007 6:03 a.m. PST

Fred I did not want to scare people here by putting in that line. Also I did not want the OFM to ask me to be dog housed if I qoute to much of monty python. grin

Oddball29 Mar 2007 6:05 a.m. PST

Does anybody have the link to the is article?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2007 6:24 a.m. PST

Is there a Wikipedia article on TMP?
Are there "notable Grammer and Speling Facscsists™" listed?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2007 6:27 a.m. PST

Martin Rapier saith, "It is wikipedia, not the Encylopedia Brittanica, just edit it if you don't like."

Well, that says all there needs to be said about Wikipedia, doesn't it?

nycjadie Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 6:30 a.m. PST

Poor Larry. What a thankless job.

Tommy2029 Mar 2007 6:40 a.m. PST

According to Richard Clarke, Larry has come right out and stated that he would remove any reference to IABSM or TooFatLardies from Wikipedia. Why, he won't say.

He's no better than a hacker, spending his time vandalizing others work. It amounts to internet stalking.

Hundvig Fezian Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 7:49 a.m. PST

Who's Larry Dunn? Why, he's Number One…on my stifle list.

Personal logo toofatlardies Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Mar 2007 8:07 a.m. PST

To be fair what happened was that a member of our Yahoo Group informed me that someone called Larry Dunn was removing any reference to our company and to our WWII rules I Ain't Been Shot Mum! from the Miniature Wargaming page of Wikipedia. I contacted him and asked him why, he replied stating that he had removed them beacause "Because Wikipedia is not an ad supplement".

I have no problem with that, indeed I had never posted anything about our rules on there, however I was surprised that when I looked at the history of what he had removed he has been selective, leaving some rule sets on there and deleting others. I thought that maybe he did not realise how popular IABSM were, I contacted him with figures for how many people we had on our discussion group (just about the only barometer of popularity that is readily available), a figure that compared favourably with the Yahoo Groups of some of the rule sets he had left in place, and asked him politely not to remove any future references. He replied that:

"Yahoo Groups is no indication of popularity. I will
not (sic) be sure to check the page to make sure you are not
using it for self-pormotion (sic), a violation of wikipedia
policy which can lead to sanctions against you. I
will bookmark the page to make sure it is not
vandalized in that way."

Quite how anyone adding a set of rules to a list can be considered vandalism I have no idea. I know one chap who uses the rules attempted to circumvent the problem by creating a Wikipedia listing purely for IABSM so people could look it up. The page was completely removed from Wikipedia within hours as being "suspect" and "dubious".

All I asked of Larry was that he did not elevate himself to the position of deciding exactly which rules could and could not be listed on Wikipedia, a role he seems to have been self-appointed to. He clearly does not feel that my request was reasonable.

What is so absurd about this whole affair is that I do not consider Wikipedia to be an advertising medium, I doubt very much if any of our sales come from people seeing us listed on there. So in broad terms it really doesn't matter a jot what he does.

That said I think Flintloque is correct in his assesement of the situation.


Cheers

Rich

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 8:17 a.m. PST

I notice while this is thread has been running, he's posted elsewhere on TMP, but has stayed well clear of this one. I guess he must have realised he can't really defend his actions.

For Sale Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 8:26 a.m. PST

Guess what, while I was typing that last comment, Larry the Lamb was busy on the Wiki page removing all traces of IABSM again.
It's funny but he seems under the impression that Rich is putting all these references on there when it is in fact various loyal lardy fans as the logged IP addresses plainly show. Seems rather petty to me :-(

roryfx Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 8:35 a.m. PST

Hey, Larry!

I just put it back in. I don't work for them, so as far as I can tell, there's no way that can be considered advertising.

.r.

SeattleGamer Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2007 8:37 a.m. PST

Someone's added 6mm and I've added Baccus Miniatures.

I don't even game in 6mm but I added that last night as I was checking the Miniatures area on Wiki (due to this very issue). I know tons of people who game in that scale, and there are certain manufacturers who provide minis in that scale who have been around for decades.

As for articles being "ads" I would agree that Wiki is not the place for that. However, what makes an article an ad? If one were to simply list their product and provide information that's not an ad it's information. This being an encyclopedia, that's just the sort of thing I would want to find.

An ad would be "Game X: The most popular game ever invented by the most skilled designer ever to walk the face of the earth, if you are not playing Game X you are a total loser."

I think we all know the difference between fact-sheet info, and a commercial. Well, most of us anyway.

Call me crazy, but I think the Wiki Miniatures Wargames topic is just the place to locate, oh, I don't know, say, things related to miniatures wargaming? What it is, scales, historical periods and ACTUAL GAMES that fit the bill!

nycjadie Inactive Member29 Mar 2007 9:26 a.m. PST

"It's funny but he seems under the impression that Rich is putting all these references on there when it is in fact various loyal lardy fans as the logged IP addresses plainly show. Seems rather petty to me :-("

Richard, to be fair, it's petty to go the other way as well.

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