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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2018 3:28 p.m. PST

Greetings, I had a question about French Mercenaries during the War of the Roses.

#1) Did they have a uniform attire similar to English livery colors or did they just wear what they showed up in.

2) What are your opinions about troop/weapon types fielded by French troops in English service?

I would assume they would be just like other Continental armies (Burgundian & Holy Roman Empire) and would field a mix of handguns, pike, and crossbow. Maybe even Long Bow.

Thats an assumption with no facts though. Thanks for your opinion on the above.

*Edit, obviously my topic title got jacked. If it wasn't obvious, I'm looking for opinions on French Mercenaries in the Wotr. Thanks.

Glengarry516 May 2018 5:07 p.m. PST

I noticed that Medieval paintings from the late hundred years war period had the French in uniforms of a deep wine red colour, with white crosses. This is tenuous I know, all the images seem to be by the same artist and Ive no corroborating evidence but it was good enough for me to paint them in that livery! My French Mercenary retinue (Lion Rampant) is made up of foot knights (although I`m not sure they had them), pike men, longbow men, crossbowmen plus handgunners for flavour. I`d be curious to find out if any French Mercenaries fought mounted.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2018 8:03 p.m. PST

G5, I did indeed find some pictures of Medieval French with a white cross over various colored backgrounds. Red, or Wine as you say, was the most commonly used color.

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2018 11:43 p.m. PST

Question is though, are they wearing that livery simply because they are French or because it is the livery of who they are serving?

Those illustrations, I believe, show soldiers serving the French Crown?

Green Tiger17 May 2018 2:09 a.m. PST

One theory I read has it that the French at Bosworth were pikes and handgunners. They would have worn livery of either the company they belonged to or the lord that had hired them. The white cross was worn by French troops serving in French armies to distinguish them from the enemy – not very useful for mercenaries…

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2018 8:31 a.m. PST

My thoughts exactly Green. I like to think Bosworth was equal parts pike, hsndgun, crossbow, similar to the Burgundians at the time.

Mortimers Cross could be the same but I'm only using French handguns and artillery for that battle.

Druzhina17 May 2018 10:59 p.m. PST
Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2018 10:43 a.m. PST

Thank you Sir!

sixlasers19 May 2018 8:34 a.m. PST

The evidence provided in "Bosworth" by Chris Skidmore indicates pretty conclusively that the french mercenaries were armed as their english counterparts, i.e. mainly archers.

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