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steve179702 Mar 2007 2:11 p.m. PST

Hello fellas,

I know it's been asked before, and no doubt will be again but I've had a quick look at past posts and can't find any reference.

What colour am I going to paint my 1815 D/B Artillery – woodwork, metalwork and guns

Thanks in anticipation.

Steve P.

Pictors Studio02 Mar 2007 2:20 p.m. PST

It depends where they got their guns from.

steve179702 Mar 2007 2:22 p.m. PST

I will be using British guns – does this mean that they would have been grey then ???

Connard Sage02 Mar 2007 2:43 p.m. PST

I will be using British guns does this mean that they would have been grey then ???


Quick answer:

Yes

:0)

steve179702 Mar 2007 2:46 p.m. PST

I like quick answers…

I'd best crack on and paint them then eh..?

Cheers,

Steve P. ;o)

donlowry02 Mar 2007 5:17 p.m. PST

The answer I settled for when I asked the same thing a few months ago was: Prussian guns painted various shades of brown.

11th ACR02 Mar 2007 6:45 p.m. PST

This site dose not show Dutch/Belgian but it dose show most others.

link

Widowson02 Mar 2007 7:31 p.m. PST

Hold the phone!

All DB artillery in the Waterloo Campaign was French 6#ers. This has been discussed at length before on this list.

The only question is color. I believe the concensus was that it would be either French artillery olive (with blackened metal parts and bronze tubes), or British artillery blue (with same).

steve179703 Mar 2007 3:22 a.m. PST

French Guns…!!!

That's no good, Front Rank (whos figures I have) suggest British guns for their DB range; Which of course I got from them with a DB Horse Battery…

Not questioning your answers fellas but can anyone give me a link to previous articles on the subject – I'm more confused now than I was when I first posted only a few hours ago…

Thanks,

Steve P.

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP03 Mar 2007 4:13 a.m. PST

Steve. Use the British guns! The French took away all but a smattering of their military hardware (especially arty) when the Dutch-Belgians switched sides. I read a first-hand account (can't remember where-it was over two years ago when doing research on bringing out our 15mm range of D-Bs)where the author's arty unit had only 2 muskets, some bits of uniforms and seemed rediculous to be considered an "arttillery unit" that didn't have any guns until the British supplied them. The Brits also supplied them uniforms, limbers and other military "necissities" as well.
(In 1814, I believe-could have been even later!)

Adkins backs this up as well as others. Use the British guns is my advice!

Best,
Tom Dye
GFI

Sergeant Ewart03 Mar 2007 10:55 a.m. PST

Dye4minis
I don't doubt your word but can you please tell me where Adkin says that the DBs used British equipment?
This is a question that has bugged me for some time and I must have an answer!
Regards
Gerry McGinty

Primrose03 Mar 2007 11:01 a.m. PST

Steve,

There was an excellent thread on this subject about 18 months ago called "Dutch-Belgian Artillery, 1815". It was started on 21 June 2005 by donlowry. I hope this TMP link works:

TMP link

A post by "Geert van Uythoven" was particularly informative. He suggested that DB guns were painted various colors! On this, I also recall another post sometime more recently suggesting it not unreasonable to assume that different guns in the same battery were different colors – rainbow batteries (!)

P

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP03 Mar 2007 11:21 p.m. PST

Gerry: take a look at pages 283 and 284 in his "Waterloo Companion". They had batteries consisting of 6 pounders and 5.5 in, howitzers. Pictures of the British single trail 6 lb guns can be found on pg 258 and 281. Hope that helps.

Tom Dye
GFI

Sergeant Ewart04 Mar 2007 7:10 a.m. PST

Tom: Sorry but these pages do not suggest in any way that the DBs used British guns – the 6pdrs could just as well have been French guns as according to Adkins the French by this period had replaced all 4pdrs. & 8pdrs. with Year XI types "exclusively 6pdrs. and 12 pdrs" to quote him directly.
Also as Geert van Uythoven states in an earlier thread on this forum:
"And although details are not known, one can safely assume that the Netherlands artillery presented a mixture of gun and equipment models, with varying colours, mostly different shades of brown, or with the odd French olive green. It is clear however that before the year 1826, the Netherlands army used no British material and guns. A 6-pdr foot artillery battery was armed with six short 6-pdr bronze cannon, and two 24-pdr (iron) bronze howitzers. It had 17 ammunition caissons; 12 for the 6-pdr ammunition, the remaining 5 for the howitzers. In addition, there were 12 caissons loaded with infantry and cavalry cartridges; 3 spare carriages; 2 baggage wagons; and a mobile forge. This gave a total of 43 vehicles, which needed 232 horses for its horse teams. A 12-pdr foot artillery battery had short 12-pdr bronze cannon instead of the 6-pdr cannon. 6-pdr horse artillery batteries had more ammunition caissons but only 4 caissons with infantry or cavalry cartridges, giving them a total of 38 vehicles. So horse artillery batteries needed less train horses as the foot artillery batteries. Batteries that took the field later during the campaign however sometimes had less caissons with them."
Accepting Geert's acknowledged expertise in this field,
I have to assume that the DBs used French equipment.
Regards
Gerry

donlowry04 Mar 2007 4:38 p.m. PST

I said Prussian, but I meant: non-British. French would do. (All double-trail guns look much alike to me, anyway.)

steve179705 Mar 2007 12:47 p.m. PST

Ah well…

It seems my British have just inherited a shinny new 6lber battery with supplementary howitzers then…

Double trail guns it will have to be then – thanks to all of you for your info – but I'm gunna go with Geert…

Cheers,

Steve P ;o)

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